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Dutch Paratroopers Integrated Into German Army
Philadelphia Trumpet ^ | May 27, 2013 | RICHARD PALMER

Posted on 06/02/2013 2:35:59 PM PDT by JerseyanExile

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A brigade of Dutch paratroopers will be integrated into a new German division of rapid reaction forces, German newspaper Rheinische Post reported on May 22. The 11th Airmobile Brigade—a mobile force of 4,500 troops that is equipped with light vehicles, mortars and anti-aircraft systems—will join 8,600 German soldiers to form the new division under German command.

With paratroopers and special forces, as well as combat and transport helicopters, the group is designed to respond quickly to new threats and help evacuate endangered German and Dutch citizens. Until now, only Britain and America had a similar type of military structure.

The Dutch brigade could be deployed anywhere in the world within 20 days. The new force will presumably have a similar sort of response time.

The Dutch De Telegraaf newspaper revealed that drastic cuts to the Dutch military budget were partially responsible for the merger. The Dutch forces won’t leave their bases in the Netherlands, but the joint procurement and training with Germany will save money.

The merger is seen as a major step for the Netherlands. However, the Netherlands has only one Airmobile Brigade. If it needs to deploy troops in a hurry, it will only be able to do so with German cooperation.

This is not the first Dutch-German initiative. The I. German/Dutch Corps is made up of one Dutch and one German division. The corps is a high-readiness land force designed to be able to deploy within 20 to 30 days.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: europe; europeanunion; germany; nata; nato; netherlands; waronterror

1 posted on 06/02/2013 2:35:59 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile
The Dutch brigade could be deployed anywhere in the world within 20 days.

On US Air-mobility assets...

2 posted on 06/02/2013 2:40:15 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: JerseyanExile
The Dutch brigade could be deployed anywhere in the world within 20 days.

Might want more prep time if they plan to drop into Texas ...

3 posted on 06/02/2013 2:43:37 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: JerseyanExile
Not the first time that has happened:


4 posted on 06/02/2013 2:49:29 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: PLMerite

The Charlemagne Division lives!


5 posted on 06/02/2013 2:50:57 PM PDT by Argus
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To: JerseyanExile
This will make the Schlieffen Plan v2.0 much easier.
6 posted on 06/02/2013 2:53:56 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Re: “Might want more prep time if they plan to drop into Texas.”

I dunno.

11.5 million illegal immigrants might welcome them as Liberators.


7 posted on 06/02/2013 2:54:38 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: JerseyanExile

“...corps is a high-readiness land force designed to be able to deploy within 20 to 30 days.”

Not having any military background or logistics experience, I have a question: is 20-30 days really that quick? Just asking.


8 posted on 06/02/2013 2:56:11 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: carriage_hill
Yes. He said, having done deployments before. In theory, we got 22 hours to show up for bag drag and line up for chalks.

In practice... We showed up for bag drag, lots got culled, some got cut, and we lined up for chalks.

Logistics is the hardest part of military science.

/johnny

9 posted on 06/02/2013 3:02:15 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: carriage_hill

” I have a question: is 20-30 days really that quick? Just asking.”

To have total logistics setup, yes. For rapid response units, no.


10 posted on 06/02/2013 3:05:14 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I doubt your average German or Dutch soldier has much interest in dropping anywhere in America — I imagine their superiors would have a hard time making them.


11 posted on 06/02/2013 3:09:51 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: JerseyanExile

I only feel sorry for the Dutch old enough to understand why this is an affront.


12 posted on 06/02/2013 3:09:54 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: Argus

“Charlemagne” was drawn from French SS volunteers. The units you are thinking of are the 23rd SS division (”Nederland”) and the 34th SS division (”Landsturm Nederland”).


13 posted on 06/02/2013 3:25:58 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: JRandomFreeper

“...bag drag and line up for chalks.
We showed up for bag drag, lots got culled, some got cut, and we lined up for chalks....”

Thanks, sir, but can you ‘translate’ that for a simple civilian?

:^)


14 posted on 06/02/2013 3:32:44 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: CodeToad

When you say total logistics set-up, does that mean tanks, trucks, artillery, supplies etc? Or just quick-response paratroopers going into a ‘hot spot’ for a rescue or for a longer deployment?

Rapid reaction. High readiness. Quick response. 3 different kinds of SF troops?

I know, I know; too many questions. If it is, say so and I’ll spend some time on Google trying to find some answers.

:)


15 posted on 06/02/2013 3:43:10 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: OldNewYork

Why is this an affront?


16 posted on 06/02/2013 3:47:58 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I found all those terms on Google; sorry to bother you.


17 posted on 06/02/2013 3:52:49 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: carriage_hill

I found the answers on Google; thanks. Should have known.


18 posted on 06/02/2013 3:54:24 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: CodeToad
K0GRL could do rapid response.

/johnny

19 posted on 06/02/2013 3:57:56 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: carriage_hill
If you bother me, you will know. You will need a fire extinguisher for your hair.

Asking questions is not only allowed, it is encouraged.

I would have answered earlier but my neighbor is trying to kill a vole in her flowerbed, and I was helping to hide the propane.

/johnny

20 posted on 06/02/2013 4:00:37 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: carriage_hill

All but heavy equipment like tanks, however, we can deploy tanks within 30 day no problemo. Most countries don’t have the heavy lift C-17 number that we have.

Most areas can be controlled with simply leg troops backed by solid logistics and that can be accomplished in a few weeks.


21 posted on 06/02/2013 4:16:03 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Still can! :)


22 posted on 06/02/2013 4:17:57 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Thanks.

Open a small hole in the tunnel, drop in some peanut butter w/ K+ (or d-Con), and it’s toast. A night-prowling tomcat is the best vole-mole hunter-killer. Mine at the (now closed) Family Farm Business would get 4-5/ night, eat the head and bring the body into my office to ‘share’.


23 posted on 06/02/2013 4:17:57 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: CodeToad

Thanks; got it.


24 posted on 06/02/2013 4:20:50 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: PLMerite

I was thinking the same thing.


25 posted on 06/02/2013 4:41:51 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: JerseyanExile
is this the same unit of boys, girls and gays who laid down their arms in Kosova (or was it Serbia?)and allowed their opponents to kill or kidnap all of the town's males.
26 posted on 06/02/2013 5:14:07 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: ansel12

“Why is this an affront?”

It’s really kind of an arcane unknown story. But back in the 1940s the Germans invaded Holland and did a mass murder of lots of normal peaceful Dutch citizens. Then the Germans actually created an SS unit from Dutch traitor collaborators.

So if an elderly Dutchman today heard that a Dutch army unit was being integrated into the German army, some might consider it an “affront”. But i’m not really sure, it was some thing that happened in Europe back then. Guess it was kinda a big deal at the time.


27 posted on 06/02/2013 5:18:06 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino; OldNewYork

Many of the vets here already know how we younger guys get along with each other among the different nations who fought each other in WWII.

My dad fought Germans but I wore German jump wings on my American uniform and loved being with them, and we all liked comparing stories of our dads and their war, including open discussion of bad things and atrocities.

The Dutch soldiers are probably very pleased with being attached to the Germans.


28 posted on 06/02/2013 5:53:58 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: CodeToad

Too bad Sheridan really didn’t work out.

http://tysonneil.smugmug.com/Military/M551-Sheridan-Tank/12993910_K8vC8m#!i=940273551&k=dpT8MxK


29 posted on 06/02/2013 6:24:59 PM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: ansel12
The small arms range administrator at our local training area near Wiesbaden was fallschirmjaeger that jumped into Crete. He became a POW there and was probably why he survived WW2 to tell some interesting stories when you could get Herr Frank talking.
30 posted on 06/02/2013 7:17:31 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: carriage_hill

I don’t have a military background either but friend, if the enemy is sending rounds(bombs, missiles,etc) hot and heavy in your direction, his air assets pretty much own your sky and his ground forces and armor are barreling down the main street of your town, 20 or 30 minutes is too long. You would think the Dutch might have learned that lesson. After all, there are for certain a number of these German airborne troops who’s grandfathers and great-grandfathers dropped out of the sky and into their little country one fine May morning 73 years ago last month.


31 posted on 06/02/2013 7:48:47 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: T-Bird45
The small arms range administrator at our local training area near Wiesbaden was fallschirmjaeger that jumped into Crete.

In 1972, all of the black hats at the jump portion of jump school who met the bus on the first day, were Germans with heavy accents, it was an interesting thing to hear the accented yelling, when one was kind of caught up in the historical feeling of joining the Airborne of WWII fame, a little jarring.

32 posted on 06/02/2013 7:59:53 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: JerseyanExile

Austria is next.


33 posted on 06/02/2013 8:00:39 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: T-Bird45

Worked for a man here in NJ 30 years ago who owned a pvc pipe producing plant, damn if I can’t remember his name. He was German, a little rolly-polly guy, always smiling, he was a good boss. He served in the Luftwaffe as a machine gunner/wireless operator in a Heinkel 111 twin-engine bomber.In August of 1940 his plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire over southern England. It crashed landed in a field and he was captured. It was his first mission. Later he was sent to a POW camp in Scotland and when America entered the war, he was transffered to a camp in Arizona. He ended up staying here. “I was one of the lucky ones’’ he always used to say. He sure seemed to love America. Years after I left the company a friend I worked with told me before the war his father had been a trade unionist and was sent to a concentration camp in 1939 and was never heard from again. His mother and his only sister were killed in an air raid. “No wonder he stayed’’ my friend said. “He had nothing to go back to.’’’ Apparently he came from somewhere in eastern Germany. No point in going back to no family and Soviet occupation.


34 posted on 06/02/2013 8:01:29 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa

I’m thinking that the Dutch didn’t have any good intel, back then, to see it coming.


35 posted on 06/02/2013 8:26:02 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Was under impression Charlemagne Div drew volunteers from Benelux countries as well.


36 posted on 06/02/2013 9:57:45 PM PDT by Argus
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To: carriage_hill
Could be but German newsreels of the day were seen across Western Europe and the Germans weren't shy about showing off their latest military hardware. You make a valid point however. As goes the old saw about when a new war breaks out, the generals look to the books on how to fight the previous one. I don't think the French and the English armies, at the time the two biggest and best equipped in the West had any real clue as to what the Germans had done in debuting the idea of ‘’combined arms’’ warfare, i.e using tanks, mobile artillery,motorized assault infantry and tactical air support in a massive, fast-moving, one-two punch. Got to hand it to the Krauts, if war were a literary exercise only, Germany, with it's ''blitzkreig'' would still have the number one best seller of all time.
37 posted on 06/02/2013 10:58:15 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: ansel12

Airborne Germans @ Benning reminds me that the sergeant major at my college’s ROTC detachment (1973-76) was a veteran of the 173d ABN in VietNam. I guess your story fills in a little bit about how that came to be. He retired from the Army while there but remained in the college town in a civilian job. His son was a cadet at the time and went on to a long Army career in Special Forces.


38 posted on 06/03/2013 4:18:09 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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