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Lithium-Ion Battery Breakthrough For Electric Vehicles At Australian University
The Motor Report ^ | 06-04-2013 | Trevor Collett

Posted on 06/04/2013 2:09:53 PM PDT by Red Badger

The University of Wollongong has reached a breakthrough with its research on lithium-ion batteries which could make electric vehicles (EVs) more viable in the near future.

The university’s Institute for Superconducting & Electronic Materials (ISEM) has used a new Germanium-based material, capable of storing five times more energy than a ‘conventional’ lithium-ion battery.

Researchers at the university believe this new technology to EVs could at the very least double the distance that the car can travel on a single charge.

And the benefits don’t end there, with the new batteries bringing a significant reduction in charging times, and a relatively inexpensive manufacturing technique.

The price of Germanium is higher than materials currently used to make batteries, but Professor Zaiping Guo from ISEM is confident that prices could fall under mass production.

“The novel anode materials are very simple to synthesize and cost-effective,” Ms Guo said.

“They can be fabricated in large-scale by industry and therefore have great commercial potential.”

“We’re truly excited about this breakthrough and are looking forward to transitioning this technology to the commercial marketplace.”

As well as improvements to EVs, the new battery technology could also be used in consumer electronics - such as mobile phones and laptops - and is even capable of grid-scale energy storage.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Business/Economy; Technical
KEYWORDS: auto; battery; car; energy

1 posted on 06/04/2013 2:09:53 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

I`ll believ it when I see it, in the meantime, “Drill baby, drill!”


2 posted on 06/04/2013 2:11:58 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Red Badger

This is how Tesla is going to make a affordable version of it’s model S that can travel cross country on a single charge.


3 posted on 06/04/2013 2:13:17 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Red Badger

I’m all for competition between energy sources.
I’ll be ecstatic to drive a vehicle powered by American coal when the price is right.


4 posted on 06/04/2013 2:14:38 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

I’m all for competition between energy sources.
I’ll be ecstatic to drive a vehicle powered by American coal when the price is right.

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Me too. But ONLY between free market companies. I believe technology will soon be available to power a full size car to run 500 miles (not 50 miles) and recharge in 15 minutes (not 15 hours).

But what burns me up is Obama throwing trillions of dollars at green energy boondoggles only to have these companies go bankrupt.


5 posted on 06/04/2013 2:21:21 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Red Badger

Gotta love it, car batteries made out of recycled CK722s ;-)


6 posted on 06/04/2013 2:22:52 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: nascarnation
CleanCar photo IDriveACleanCar.jpg
7 posted on 06/04/2013 2:23:35 PM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Red Badger

Can someone with a science background help me- is this a break through for lithium batteries or discovery of Germanium batteries....


8 posted on 06/04/2013 2:24:21 PM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Red Badger

If the new material can store 5 times the energy of current Li-ion batteries, why would it only about double the range of electric cars using it?

Anyway, sounds like good stuff. I’m not opposed to electric vehicles in principle, it’s just that so far their practicality, due to range, charging times, charging infrastructure, electrical supplies (all this electrical power will have to come from somewhere), etc have made me skeptical of their utility and “greenness.”


9 posted on 06/04/2013 2:26:17 PM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like tractor.)
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To: 11th Commandment

Yes.


10 posted on 06/04/2013 2:26:41 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: 11th Commandment

The anode of the battery is a germanium based material.........


11 posted on 06/04/2013 2:27:03 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: -YYZ-

‘Power’ is a logarithmic function.

30 dBm of power is 1 Watt, 33 dBm of power is 2 Watts, 36 dBm is 4 Watts, etc.


12 posted on 06/04/2013 2:31:03 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Red Badger
this new technology to EVs could at the very least double the distance that the car can travel

I have a substance that can send cars even farther. Most vehicles are already capable of using it without ANY modifications. It's called gasoline.

13 posted on 06/04/2013 2:32:16 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

That stuff is evil devils piss..........


14 posted on 06/04/2013 2:36:22 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: 11th Commandment

Hype. Or at least premature. Little practical gain after a few years work.

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2011/12/wang-20111217.html

Note the comments at the bottom.


15 posted on 06/04/2013 2:36:36 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: -YYZ-
-YYZ- said: "...why would it only about double the range of electric cars using it?"

One possibility might be that the new design is significantly heavier than the old design and can't be scaled down. You might end up with additional range but carrying a much heavier payload.

16 posted on 06/04/2013 2:41:31 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: Red Badger

Superconductivity and cold fusion, the if only technologies.


17 posted on 06/04/2013 2:42:17 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: Red Badger

What you stated would be absolutely correct for sound but for HP in electric motors.

796 Watts = 1 HP
1492 Watts = 2 HP
3184 Watts = 4 HP... all quite linear.

Torque

T = HP 5252 / RPM
where
T= Torque In Ft/Lbs
HP = horsepower
RPM = revolutions per minute (rpm)

Again, a linear equation.

To know why 5X power storage only relates to 2X range we would need to know 1) Is this typical reporter math? or 2) Is the discharge rate of the battery limiting the range?

I think #1 is the most likely answer but will not discount #2


18 posted on 06/04/2013 2:47:22 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Red Badger
The problem is in the relative abundance of these elements in the earth's crust: Lithium is present at 20 parts per million and Germanium at 1.5 ppm; 37,000 tons of Lithium were mined in 2012 compared to only 128 tons of Germanium. Abundance of Elements
19 posted on 06/04/2013 3:01:55 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 11th Commandment

You had to know the Germans were somehow involved.


20 posted on 06/04/2013 3:31:03 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Red Badger
could at the very least double the distance that the car can travel on a single charge

Now, that's progress. Like buying a conventional car with a two gallon tank!

21 posted on 06/04/2013 3:37:05 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Don't try to explain yourself to liberals; you're not the jackass-whisperer.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I believe technology will soon be available to power a full size car to run 500 miles (not 50 miles) and recharge in 15 minutes (not 15 hours).

Technology like copper wires over an inch in diameter? You'll get 5 miles out of a kWH at best in your car so you'll need 100kWh (assuming no losses). 100 kWh at 400 volts and 15 minutes (assuming no charging losses) is 1000 amps. That's assuming the generator is in your shed 50 feet from the car, otherwise add to the wire size.

22 posted on 06/04/2013 3:38:14 PM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: nascarnation

Look for Jay Leno demonstrating his steam powered car.

Great vehicle when you are not in a hurry to go anywhere.


23 posted on 06/04/2013 3:38:25 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: 45Auto

Now if they can do the same thing with Carbon.... and/or Silicon, both in the same column of the periodic table as Germanium.

Carbon and Silicon are plentiful. They have recently come up with Silicene and Germanene analogs to Graphene.


24 posted on 06/04/2013 3:41:54 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Red Badger

Another step closer to telling the troublemakers they can keep their oil and use it to make camel lube.


25 posted on 06/04/2013 3:45:09 PM PDT by Zeta Beam
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To: nascarnation

Better American nuclear.


26 posted on 06/04/2013 3:46:51 PM PDT by Zeta Beam
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To: Cyman

Politicians are always confusing energy sources with energy storage. A rechargable batter is not an energy source. It takes oil, gas, coal, hydro, etc. to “create energy.” Better rechargable batteries generally make electric cars run better and less reliable sources of energy (solar, wind, etc.) more practical.


27 posted on 06/04/2013 3:47:20 PM PDT by FB2
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To: 45Auto

Or Lead is also in same periodic table column as Germanium.

Either up or down the elements in that group can be plentiful. Only in the middle are they scarce.

Back before WWII, an additive was made for gasoline using germanium that prevented knock. Later, came a more effective analog using Selenium. Finally, a very effective analog using Lead was developed. Of course tetra ethly lead made sense when there were 10,000 cars on the road, but less so when there were 10 million cars on the road.


28 posted on 06/04/2013 3:49:10 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Red Badger

You cannot discuss the viability of an electric car unless and until you include in the discussion:

1. The life span of the battery under real world conditions

2. Cost of replacement of that battery

3. Cost of disposal/recycling of that battery

Of course, if government $ub$idy is involved, you may ignore the content of this post.


29 posted on 06/04/2013 3:52:51 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: William Tell
..why would it only about double the range of electric cars using it?"

Because people will be able use the heater or air conditioning.

30 posted on 06/04/2013 5:18:15 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Red Badger
"The anode of the battery is a geranium based material..."

Geraniums?

So flower power is real? Nebber woulda thunk it.

31 posted on 06/04/2013 5:42:57 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: nomad
I`ll believ it when I see it, in the meantime, “Drill baby, drill!”

I second that motion. Nothing is more proven than gasoline, derived from oil, as an efficient mover of vehicles. The only way that battery/electric vehicles do well, is if governments force people out of their cars. They can't make enough battery cars for all of us, at an affordable price point. If they tighten restrictions on who is allowed to drive and own cars, then the reduction of cars on the road will make the percentages of electric cars rise higher of the total cars on the road. Gasoline is efficient, the technology is very mature, and it's safer for the environment.

32 posted on 06/04/2013 6:41:59 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: BfloGuy

http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2013/05/video-the-tesla-model-s-is-our-top-scoring-car.html


33 posted on 06/04/2013 6:52:48 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: rottndog

The major problem with lithium batteries longevity has been the anode deterioration over time. If this solves that problem, then 1,2 and 3 are no longer a factor..........


34 posted on 06/05/2013 6:19:47 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: donmeaker

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3027270/posts


35 posted on 06/05/2013 6:25:52 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: palmer; Responsibility2nd

New bus system tops off batteries in just 15 seconds:

http://phys.org/news/2013-06-bus-tops-batteries-seconds.html


36 posted on 06/05/2013 6:31:38 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Red Badger; Responsibility2nd
INteresting link, but they didn't talk about voltage or amperage or what topping off really means. The bottom line is if you want to go somewhere it takes lots of energy (which is why gasoline is so great). To stuff energy into a battery requires volts times amps, nothing else will do it. Maybe the power company can start putting in 10 or 20 kv lines to everybody's garage or carport.

At a shopping mall on my way home I stopped and watched them install an electric car charging station. The men were wrestling with 1 inch diameter stranded copper, it was not easy.

37 posted on 06/05/2013 6:41:36 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: palmer

Should have said volts times amps times time.


38 posted on 06/05/2013 6:43:19 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Red Badger
Professor Zaiping Guo from ISEM is confident that prices could fall under mass production.

Real confidence requires "will".

39 posted on 06/05/2013 6:54:04 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: palmer

We use 1 inch stranded copper cable in our products here where I work everyday. It comes on huge spools requiring forklifts to move. The guys installing the station you saw were probably not used to having that size cable to work with...........


40 posted on 06/05/2013 7:16:47 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Red Badger

I’m not sure what you’re talking about. The subject here was how much energy, in units of e.g. Watt-hours, or Joules, etc the battery can store. The article wasn’t clear, however, on whether that was an increase in energy/volume or energy/mass. Assuming the article meant that this technology would allow 5 times the energy volume and mass density, I would assume that it would allow 5 times the range for a same-sized (in terms of mass and volume) battery. A five-fold increase in battery energy density is a huge deal, btw.


41 posted on 06/05/2013 8:40:44 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like tractor.)
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To: palmer
Technology like copper wires over an inch in diameter? You'll get 5 miles out of a kWH at best in your car so you'll need 100kWh (assuming no losses). 100 kWh at 400 volts and 15 minutes (assuming no charging losses) is 1000 amps. That's assuming the generator is in your shed 50 feet from the car, otherwise add to the wire size.

That's something people always miss when they're talking about fast charging really high capacity batteries like these - massive currents that would require huge conductors. Presumably one could go to even higher voltages, although I think there's a limit to how high of voltages you want inside a car.

42 posted on 06/05/2013 8:45:24 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like tractor.)
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To: Cool Guy

I think the Tesla is a beautiful car — think the same of the Fisker-Karma. Just don’t like the government subsidies [on both ends of the purchase] for a technology that very few people will pay for in its current state.


43 posted on 06/05/2013 2:45:28 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Don't try to explain yourself to liberals; you're not the jackass-whisperer.)
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