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We would be fighting federal troops on our own soil. The military we would be fighting would have the best possible tools to take us down. The idea we could win such an insurrection is laughable.

D.O., you're a smart person. I don't know why you let your pessimism overrule your higher analytical functions over this question.

Think of the orders of magnitude we're discussing. 1.5 million armed federal troops versus 100 million armed 'insurgent' citizens.

Of course the federals have awesome force multipliers, but those weapons have to be directed by someone. Those people are Americans too, with family and friends intermingled amongst us. Do you honestly think that every single American in uniform will just blindly obey an order to suppress their fellow citizens with force?

An order to implement Martial Law will first result in an internal struggle within the military itself. It'll be patriot against drone, and I fully expect the patriots to carry the day. Even if they were somehow outnumbered by loyal drones, the havoc they'd wreak on operations would be so intense, that the entire effort would be scuttled. Meanwhile, you'd have tens of millions of patriot citizens helping in every way they could, to help their fellows in the ranks.

Again - think it through. Don't you think the regime would have hauled us off to the gulags by now if they had the power to do so? Of course they would. Instead, they're forced to attempt their treasonous overthrow of the Constitution through skullduggery and hidden means, and the covers are being ripped off all of that as we speak.

We would be fighting federal troops on our own soil. The military we would be fighting would have the best possible tools to take us down. The idea we could win such an insurrection is laughable.

D.O., you're a smart person. I don't know why you let your pessimism overrule your higher analytical functions over this question.

I listen to the talk today, and I look back to the Civil War and how some folks were thinking it would be a cake-walk back then too. I'm not convinced we would fare better. Once the fighting starts, wars take on a life of their own. In short order they seldom look like you thought they would. Then you're stuck. You're in it, and nobody knows how to stop it. Pretty soon you've forgotten exactly why you started it. Future generations discuss what it was you were trying to accomplish, or what single reason was the cause for the break out of hostilities.

Think of the orders of magnitude we're discussing. 1.5 million armed federal troops versus 100 million armed 'insurgent' citizens.

Just remember that of that 100 million folks you think would join you, there will be a significant portion that will oppose you. Different segments of our populace have different policy goals. How do you organize the group that remains with you? What communication channels do you use after week three? What supply routes can you maintain? What food supplies will continue to come through? How long will the populace stay on your side, once the going gets tough?

Of course the federals have awesome force multipliers, but those weapons have to be directed by someone. Those people are Americans too, with family and friends intermingled amongst us. Do you honestly think that every single American in uniform will just blindly obey an order to suppress their fellow citizens with force?

No I don't, however I think the tools of propaganda have been pretty well developed and demonstrated. The media can make just about anyone look like a terrorist these days. And once you are percieved as a terrorist, members of the armed forces will simply do their jobs to eliminate the terrorists. Some of our troops will get it. I'm not convinced what percentage that will be.

An order to implement Martial Law will first result in an internal struggle within the military itself.

I agree. And this being the case, I expect to see moderating voices eliminated from the military in short order. Then you're left with the hard-case nut jobs, and others who just don't get it. Both would combine to be rather ruthless in taking out what they percieve to be a threat against the nation, and it's "loyalists".

It'll be patriot against drone, and I fully expect the patriots to carry the day.

As much as I might agree with you, this is still conjecture. Any contrived event at all could swing public opinion away from you overnight. Moving munitions a large explosion takes place that kills a number of the armed forces, and the government declares it an act of terrorism. Large portions of your allies peel off because they don't want to be a party to that sort of thing. It would be dead wrong and excuses go, but it's what would happen.

A movie theater burns down, and 25 people are killed. It's all blamed on the "terrorists". Another large segment peels off. I think you're underestimating things like this, real momentum killers.

Even if they were somehow outnumbered by loyal drones, the havoc they'd wreak on operations would be so intense, that the entire effort would be scuttled. Meanwhile, you'd have tens of millions of patriot citizens helping in every way they could, to help their fellows in the ranks.

I think the ranks would be purged in short order. Then I think bases would be made battle ready, and it would be next to impossible to make headway. The military wouldn't even have to expose their troops to fire. They could use drones to take care of a lot of the battle.

Again - think it through. Don't you think the regime would have hauled us off to the gulags by now if they had the power to do so? Of course they would.

I honestly think it's easier for them to control us in place. They don't have to ship us off. Then they'd have to dedicate manpower and logistical supplies to house and feed us. I don't think they would be interested in doing that. In a lot of instances, our own neighbors would keep us in line.

Instead, they're forced to attempt their treasonous overthrow of the Constitution through skullduggery and hidden means, and the covers are being ripped off all of that as we speak.

I agree with that. I'm still not in support of armed insurrection. I don't want to see millions of my fellow citizens killed in the quest for a better tomorrow. Tomorrow is always a long ways away when these things start.

What do we replace our government with? Do we keep our founding documents or start over?

What would the demands be?

What would the end settlement have to look like?

Who would be the future leaders?