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Safety takes priority over privacy in public policy: analysis
Washington post ^ | 6-9-13 | Chris Cillizza

Posted on 06/10/2013 6:09:46 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

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To: tiki

The problem with a database that keeps everything you say forever is stuff that’s legal and publically acceptable today might be highly illegal and a firing offense in 20 years.

Could you imagine being fired for not supporting (and applauding!) gay marriage in 1990? No one could. Yet today that’s a very real possibility.

You never know what the Stasi will be targeting in 20 years.

Or, in this case, even in 10 years.


21 posted on 06/10/2013 6:59:52 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: TurboZamboni

If enhancing my safety is a valid objective for the government, they need to repeal all the gun laws since 1968 at least. I’d be a lot safer, trust me.


22 posted on 06/10/2013 7:09:55 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: cuban leaf

See the opening first 15 minutes of the movie.

Movie:

Enemy of the State (1998)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0MX38ShoCI

The movie is relevant now.

Enemy of the State (1998)

132 min - Action | Drama | Thriller - 20 November 1998 (USA)

A lawyer becomes a target by a corrupt politician and his NSA goons when he accidentally receives key evidence to a serious politically motivated crime.

Plot

As the U.S. Congress moves to pass new legislation that dramatically expands the surveillance powers of intelligence agencies, Congressman Phil Hammersley (Robards) remains firmly opposed to its passage. To ensure the bill’s passage, National Security Agency official Thomas Reynolds (Voight) kills Hammersley, but he is unaware of a video camera set up by wildlife researcher Daniel Zavitz (Lee) that has captured the entire incident.

Storyline

Robert dean is a mild-mannered lawyer who works in Washington D.C. He is on the trail of a kingpin named Pintero. Meanwhile, a politician named Thomas Reynolds is negotiating with Congressman Phillip Hammersley about a new surveillance system with satellites. But, Hammersley declines, that is when Reynolds had Hammersley killed, but this murder was caught on tape, and this person was being chased by Reynolds’ team of NSA agents, the guy must ditch the tape, so he plants it on Dean (unbeknownst to Dean). Then, the NSA decides to get into Dean’s life. That is when Dean’s life began to fall apart all around him, with his wife and job both gone. Dean wants to find out what is going on. Then, he meets a man named “Brill” who tells him that Dean has something that the government wants. That is when Dean and Brill formulate a plan to get Dean’s life back and turn the Tables on Reynolds. Written by John Wiggins

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_of_the_State_%28film%29


23 posted on 06/10/2013 7:12:07 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

HAHA! I’ve already brought that movie up in a couple of posts. :)

I’ll throw this out too. I’m thinking of posting a vanity regarding how this data mining is the state’s way of realizing, in a very real sense, time travel into the past.


24 posted on 06/10/2013 7:17:03 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Black Agnes

Imagine if men lived to be 250 years old and Jefferson was running for public office today. Could a former slave owner be elected?

You naile what I’ve been seeing about the most insidious part of this. Time travel into the past to destroy you. And everything you do is recorded and just waiting to be used against you - if necessary.

Computer programs will simply “go back in time” to witness text, photos, videos, posts to paint a picture of who you are. And, based on the info, they can paint whatever picture they want, just as the MSM edited the Zimmerman call to the dispatcher to make it sound like he was following Trayvon Martin because he was black.

IOW, this must not be allowed.

Period!


25 posted on 06/10/2013 7:20:29 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: TurboZamboni
>>Safety takes priority over privacy in public policy...<<

No, no it doesn't! Enough is enough. Law abiding Americans have done nothing wrong. We do not deserve to be treated like some freakin muzzie nutcase.

I don't like my records being seized, having big brother tell me what to do, what to eat, what to drive, what habits to quit.

I don't like some guy in a rent-a-cop uniform that barely fits him putting his hands all in my junk. I paid for the flight, I don't need to be treated like a damn criminal to travel from point A to point B.

All the while, illegal aliens are pouring into this country...did I mention, ILLEGAL?

Student visas being issued to people from countries that hate us and want to set off devices to hurt our people. Yet the gubbamint searches AMERICAN citizens!

Why do we allow Uncle Sugar to subsidize local law enforcement to install webs of cameras, listening devices, surveillance drones, biometric databases / lic. plate readers, facial recognition?

America...please wake up. This sort of talk was once labeled tin foil hat conspiracy gibberish....not any longer!

Call and write your representatives, then do it again and again. Be angry, your life and liberty depend upon it.

26 posted on 06/10/2013 7:23:57 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: TurboZamboni

“And, time and again, the American public makes clear that their desire to feel safe from attacks foreign and domestic trumps their desire for privacy.”

Does the American public think this? I haven’t seen any polls on the subject, just politicians and bureaucrats doing what they want *against* the public, while defying the constitution.

The simple fact is that 99.999999% of the War on Terror was and is in foreign countries, NOT the US. So why is HALF OR MORE of the actions taken in the War on Terror being taken HERE AGAINST AMERICANS?

In 1942, at the start of World War II in America, the US had a population of about 135 million. About 1 million illegal aliens from Japan, Germany and Italy were registered; and about 110,000 Japanese, 11,000 German illegal aliens, and a few hundred Italians were eventually incarcerated.

A maximum of less than .001% of the US population.

Today, about .6% of the US population self identify as Muslim. Were domestic security to concentrate on just them, it could do so at a tiny fraction of the cost of spying on the other 315,000,000 of us.


27 posted on 06/10/2013 7:43:39 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: TurboZamboni

” Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

This was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759); the book was published by Franklin; its author was Richard Jackson, but Franklin did claim responsibility for some small excerpts that were used in it.”

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin


28 posted on 06/10/2013 7:48:53 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Black Agnes

Or things can be taken out of context. Or they can just insert into your record what ever they want.

When you have that much power you can do pretty much what ever you want.

Freedom won’t survive the lack of privacy.

The people need to wake up, but most are in a deep deep sleep.


29 posted on 06/10/2013 7:55:55 AM PDT by desertfreedom765
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To: circlecity

“And, time and again, the American public makes clear that their desire to feel safe from attacks foreign and domestic trumps their desire for privacy...until the government decides to commit genocide against those that disagree with them.

That’s when the government lusts to send millions of their own citizens to their graves “for their own good”


30 posted on 06/10/2013 8:09:19 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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