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1 posted on 06/10/2013 6:09:46 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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So it is ok for Obama but not for Bush..


2 posted on 06/10/2013 6:11:43 AM PDT by KevinDavis (The Bill of Rights is a suicide pact.)
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"And, time and again, the American public makes clear that their desire to feel safe from attacks foreign and domestic trumps their desire for privacy."

How can the American public make the sentiment "clear" when they don't even know the extent of what the government is doing and it's illegal to inform them of such?

3 posted on 06/10/2013 6:11:48 AM PDT by circlecity
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Until someone in power decides YOUR group are the real terrorists.

Like happened with the tea party, Christians and anyone who’s pro life.

Then what do you do?

I still want to know how Obama got the closed divorce proceedings of his congressional opponent in Illinois unsealed.


4 posted on 06/10/2013 6:12:44 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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Safety takes priority over privacy in public policy: analysis


Clearly they’ve never read the 4th ammendment. Either that or they just don’t agree with the constitution.


5 posted on 06/10/2013 6:12:45 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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Sorry WaPo, but we believe you about as much as we believed that Isuzu salesman.

Our Bull-Obama meter goes around three times and flies off whenever one of your low IQ libtards spews their lies.


8 posted on 06/10/2013 6:20:07 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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That is not the question. It should be framed as physical safety vs. the constitution. The spin needs to be killed by re-framing the question.


9 posted on 06/10/2013 6:20:57 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: TurboZamboni
the American public makes clear that their desire to feel safe from attacks foreign and domestic trumps their desire for privacy

The whims of liberals, even 51% of the population are irrelevant. The supreme law of the land says otherwise, and they may not wish my rights away or even vote freedom away.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Prism is unconstitutional and must be stopped.

10 posted on 06/10/2013 6:24:05 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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Safety of the entrenched gov,t or of the peeps.


12 posted on 06/10/2013 6:30:02 AM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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Those asshats in Washington DC are a bunch of failures and liars. They keep nobody safe. They leave the borders wide open so that anyone from anywhere in the world can walk on in. They allow the “big enemy” a seat at the tables in DC and supply them with weapons overseas.

They waste our money and time pestering Americans at the airports while hiring people that would have trouble getting a job at McDonalds to harass us.

There is only ONE reason they are collecting all this info. It is control, and people, not all, in both parties would like to be in charge of that.

All this National Security excuse is pure bullshite. You have already seen what info in the hands of the Obama admin will do. Do you trust them? Or McCain or Linda?

Time to wake the heck up.


14 posted on 06/10/2013 6:33:48 AM PDT by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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"What is the right balance between protecting our privacy and protecting our country?"

Wapo makes use of the classic Leftist approach. A straw argument. That question is more than adequately addressed under the 4th amendment. Faceless and unaccountable government bureaucrats, in nondescript buildings at undisclosed addresses are not protecting the country. They're being used to suppress it.
16 posted on 06/10/2013 6:51:11 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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Liberal anti-gunners like to opine that the second amendment doesn’t apply to modern firearms. Let’s see how they like that the government is applying the same logic to the first and fourth with regard to telecommunications.


17 posted on 06/10/2013 6:51:40 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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I guess “safety” must include SWAT raids on Tea Party members for using the wrong wood in their guitars.


20 posted on 06/10/2013 6:58:17 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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If enhancing my safety is a valid objective for the government, they need to repeal all the gun laws since 1968 at least. I’d be a lot safer, trust me.


22 posted on 06/10/2013 7:09:55 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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>>Safety takes priority over privacy in public policy...<<

No, no it doesn't! Enough is enough. Law abiding Americans have done nothing wrong. We do not deserve to be treated like some freakin muzzie nutcase.

I don't like my records being seized, having big brother tell me what to do, what to eat, what to drive, what habits to quit.

I don't like some guy in a rent-a-cop uniform that barely fits him putting his hands all in my junk. I paid for the flight, I don't need to be treated like a damn criminal to travel from point A to point B.

All the while, illegal aliens are pouring into this country...did I mention, ILLEGAL?

Student visas being issued to people from countries that hate us and want to set off devices to hurt our people. Yet the gubbamint searches AMERICAN citizens!

Why do we allow Uncle Sugar to subsidize local law enforcement to install webs of cameras, listening devices, surveillance drones, biometric databases / lic. plate readers, facial recognition?

America...please wake up. This sort of talk was once labeled tin foil hat conspiracy gibberish....not any longer!

Call and write your representatives, then do it again and again. Be angry, your life and liberty depend upon it.

26 posted on 06/10/2013 7:23:57 AM PDT by servantboy777
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“And, time and again, the American public makes clear that their desire to feel safe from attacks foreign and domestic trumps their desire for privacy.”

Does the American public think this? I haven’t seen any polls on the subject, just politicians and bureaucrats doing what they want *against* the public, while defying the constitution.

The simple fact is that 99.999999% of the War on Terror was and is in foreign countries, NOT the US. So why is HALF OR MORE of the actions taken in the War on Terror being taken HERE AGAINST AMERICANS?

In 1942, at the start of World War II in America, the US had a population of about 135 million. About 1 million illegal aliens from Japan, Germany and Italy were registered; and about 110,000 Japanese, 11,000 German illegal aliens, and a few hundred Italians were eventually incarcerated.

A maximum of less than .001% of the US population.

Today, about .6% of the US population self identify as Muslim. Were domestic security to concentrate on just them, it could do so at a tiny fraction of the cost of spying on the other 315,000,000 of us.


27 posted on 06/10/2013 7:43:39 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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” Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

This was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759); the book was published by Franklin; its author was Richard Jackson, but Franklin did claim responsibility for some small excerpts that were used in it.”

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin


28 posted on 06/10/2013 7:48:53 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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