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To: kristinn

I, did not support FISA when it was overhauled nor the Patriot ACT and PA II.

I knew that they would be used by those who don’t see the Constitution as a barrier to their self serving nefarious ambitions.

Sure enough, that is what we have going on here.

A trawling net for any information under the rubik of National Security and then making it available across a wide swath of agencies.

It’s wrong.

Further, here is where I have always parted ways on the issue of access to my records:

“Records of subscriber usage maintained by service providers such as telephone companies — called “third-party” records because they are the property of the provider, not the subscriber — enjoy no Fourth Amendment protection”

That always been so much BS to me as the records, in fact, belong to the service provider and to the subscriber. You don’t get to bifurcated because you found a way to do so and no one challenged you on this.

Why not make the argument the bank owns my house and all you have to do is go to them for permission to search it?

Or my car. Just ask the leasing company for permission.

Hey, why stop there? What about all those computers and multi-function printers? They’re leased a good many times.

Why, just ask the leasing company for permission to peruse “their” equipment and ask the landlord for permission to enter the premises?

That argument never made sense to me that the service provider is the holder of the records.

They are also the responsible organization(resporg) for managing my phone numbers and toll free numbers. Does that make them the owners? No, the numbers belong to me. They are only responsible for maintaining service and routing traffic “As I direct”.

They cannot use those lines or numbers for their own. They belong to me.

That argument still does not hold water today.


10 posted on 06/15/2013 11:25:18 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

Excellent argument.

Too bad Common Sense no longer exists in the majority of this people that have made government their god.

They don’t care, as long as they are provided for.

The rest - simply shrug their shoulders and say “What can we do about it?”

And truly - what can we?

Leadership has sold our liberties out from under us. We’ve done nothing in the face of overt subjugation of our rights. The Oligarchy tells us that we have no Rights, and that they do not apply to us in this or that circumstance.

How long before they rule that our rights do not apply to us because of our faith or our political affiliations?

History teaches that this is indeed what always happens in Leftist totalitarian dictatorships.


17 posted on 06/15/2013 11:54:54 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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