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Obama trade dilemma: Scant support from Democrats
Associated Press ^ | Jun 15, 2013 12:16 PM EDT | Tom Raum

Posted on 06/16/2013 12:38:54 AM PDT by Olog-hai

As President Barack Obama pushes an ambitious agenda to liberalize global trading, political trade wars already are forming, and they’re with fellow Democrats rather than with Republicans, his usual antagonists.

Obama is promoting free-trade proposals with Europe and Asia that could affect up to two-thirds of all global trade. …

Both deals generally have the support of U.S. businesses. But labor unions and human rights and environmental groups—core Democratic constituencies—have so far viewed them cynically.

These organizations, and Democrats in general, say that free-trade deals can cost American jobs and lead to environmental and workplace abuses that would not be tolerated in the U.S. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democrats; obama; tradeagreement; tradewar
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To: central_va

You forgot to add Milton Friedman and Ronald Reagan, too. Both were Marxists, as well.


21 posted on 06/16/2013 6:40:19 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
It should provide for military defense of the nation

Wait you just said if Colt Manufacturing wanted to move its production to China you said the govt should step out of they way and let that happen. So something is disconnected in your position and Friedman's.

22 posted on 06/16/2013 6:40:38 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Now you're an expert on Friedman? And Marx?
23 posted on 06/16/2013 6:41:44 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Is this the same Reagan that saved the US auto industry from total collapse by implementing import tariff quotas on imported cars in 1984?


24 posted on 06/16/2013 6:42:14 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 1rudeboy

The only area you are expert is in the landscape of the inside of your colon.


25 posted on 06/16/2013 6:43:22 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Import quotas, not “tariff quotas.” Please, if you intend to act like an economics professor, learn the terminology.


26 posted on 06/16/2013 6:44:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Yes they were import quotas not tariffs.


27 posted on 06/16/2013 6:47:21 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Say, how’s the U.S. auto industry been doing, recently?


28 posted on 06/16/2013 6:47:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
US Auto Sales Up 13 Percent For 2012, Chrysler Sales Jumped 21 Percent Link
29 posted on 06/16/2013 6:49:57 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Good to know. The U.S. Treasury might get all of its money back. As for the bondholders . . . well, about that . . . .


30 posted on 06/16/2013 6:51:29 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; central_va
I'm not in favor of any manufacturer moving to China.

Hey guys, how about the idea that if someone makes a factory then it's his.

I say he can run it if he wants, or if he prefers he can move it to China.  It's his business and not yours.  OK, so I know some idiot's going to say aw yeah? well what about when it kills Americans huh? huh?   Let's be clear.  It's possible for a person to build, own, run, and move a factory without it being a bad thing.   We already got laws for bad things and we need to enforce them; don't need new laws, taxes, and protection.

31 posted on 06/16/2013 6:59:28 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
"You didn't build that."
/protectionist
32 posted on 06/16/2013 7:03:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: expat_panama

So would you be in favor of Smith and Wesson, Colt and Ruger moving all of the manufacturing to China?


33 posted on 06/16/2013 7:08:50 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
So all of our arms manufacturing moving off shore wouldn’t make you stop and give pause on your radical position?

If all of our arms manufacturers wanted to move offshore why we would we look at the free-trade position? Shouldn't we look at what is causing them to want to move in the first place? Like taxes and regulation?

34 posted on 06/16/2013 7:09:27 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Don’t be silly!


35 posted on 06/16/2013 7:11:11 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Shouldn't we look at what is causing them to want to move in the first place? Like taxes and regulation?

Absolutely. But you have to keep the patient alive for the medicine to work or even come at all. If a patient has cancer then death is a form of a cure.

Likewise If manufacturing is being overtaxed and over regulated moving it offshore is a cure but also a death of US manufacturing and security. Which is not a solution, just short sighted impatience.

36 posted on 06/16/2013 7:18:39 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 1010RD
The GOP shouldn't get a pass. Because of their love of tariffs...

One of the democrat techniques for surprising the opposition vote is to spread the idea on conservative forums that there's no difference between the parties so conservatives shouldn't bother voting.  It got Obama reelected.  My personal take is that there actually is a difference between the parties; I focus on policy; smaller gov't, lower taxes, moral virtues in society, etc. and I'm finding that there really is a difference in the policies being pushed.

37 posted on 06/16/2013 7:21:11 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Olog-hai

-——labor unions and human rights and environmental groups—core Democratic constituencies—

and many Brigadeer Freepers


38 posted on 06/16/2013 7:21:32 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: 1rudeboy

lol


39 posted on 06/16/2013 7:22:45 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: central_va
Absolutely. But you have to keep the patient alive for the medicine to work or even come at all. If a patient has cancer then death is a form of a cure. Likewise If manufacturing is being overtaxed and over regulated moving it offshore is a cure but also a death of US manufacturing and security. Which is not a solution, just short sighted impatience.

One is not harder to do than the other. While I would never support a tariff of protectionism, if I did, I would still want to change the tax code and regulations before going for the protectionism. It would be just as quick.

40 posted on 06/16/2013 7:26:18 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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