Posted on 06/18/2013 12:28:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
OK, what is the criminal case number and what court was it presented in? I bet that information is not forthcoming.
Which undoubtedly they cannot reveal.
BS. There is no such thing as a "suspicious pattern".
Like I’m supposed to care if some muslims blow up the NY Stock Exchange?
Good question. But my understanding of the NSA role in a case like this is that they supply information to the FBI. It's up to the FBI to catch the bad guys. NSA is not a police force.
And given the fact that we (Obama) don't wiretap the most obvious suspects (the mosques) I'm not surprised that we failed in Boston. Who knows what leads the NSA gave to the FBI? I don't.
They use the “suspicious pattern” excuse (i.e. secret magic algorithm). They claim they can take your and my phone records and a trillion other pieces of information all of which is collected about Americans and apply the magic algorithm and out pops a list of suspects. BS. The problem is the exponential explosion of data combinations. The information is useless (except to be abused by a rogue administration.
I agree with you.
It should also be noted that computers can listen to and read our communications for humans. So no, NSA staff don’t listen to all communications. Their electronic slaves do.
It’s all colated, and then when they need it, it’s there.
It can be abused as easily as used for justifiable reasons.
RE: Like I’m supposed to care if some muslims blow up the NY Stock Exchange?
What’s your beef with the NYSE?
That’s where most of our big companies are listed ( and consequently where most Americans invest for their retirement ).
I hope you do well there but the NYSE is just an arm of the Federal Reserve hype machine/ bubble machine. They sell euphoria for the Federal Reserve
I would estimate the probability of this testimony being pure unadulterated BS as approaching 1.00.
THAT is what the NSA saved, huh?
Thanks for the belly laugh!
YUP! And while we're at it....Back in 2006, USAToday revealed what the NSA was up to. Since then the program FAILED to identify and/or prevent the Times Square bomber, the Underwear bomber, Hassan and Boston...and that's just off the top of my head. The subway bomb plot originally was purported to have been thwarted by CONUS to CONUS intercepts, but I believe that was walked back last week.
http://yahoo.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm
THAT is what the NSA saved, huh?
They present this as a DEFENSE...?
“We the NSA are ok cuz we saved the big BANKS and the Securities Industry...”
Let me get this straight —this will make us and especially LIBERALS like the NSA more...?
You get it !!!!!!!!! Al Qaeada blew up half of lower Manhattan and the idiots there are still hyper-liberals. Huge number of people in Manhattan are in the financial industries one way or another....skimming off the wealth of America from the productive sectors of America same as Obama's socialists in DC do
I don’t remember all bragging about the perps’ arrest on that incident. I say this story is BS. What prison are the perps serving their sentences in?
NSA could do a lot more good with a lot fewer Federale drones. But the NSA honchos want to expand their Federal bureaucratic empire and hire more workers, more affirmative action and LGBT WORKERS, and pay more contractors who will give kickbacks and bribe them for contracts. Think of the NSA as just another Federal jobs program same as the EEOC and Department of Education
I support a slimmed down and focused NSA that spies/collates/collects info on our foreign enemies. What we have now is huge money waster, wasting taxpayer dollars and spying on all Americans to justify their super-bloated budget
Unfortunately, it's the culture. Shame, embarrassment, humiliation, etc. are routinely mocked.
“...there is no acceptance of a higher authority ... a series of standards to which it is possible to appeal in a discussion. These standards are the principles on which culture rests. I am not concerned with the form they take. What I affirm is that there is no culture where there are no standards to which our fellow-man can have recourse. There is no culture where there are no principles of legality to which to appeal. There is no culture where there is no acceptance of certain final intellectual positions to which a dispute may be referred. There is no culture where economic relations are not subject to a regulating principle to protect interests involved.
Barbarism is the absence of standards to which appeal can be made.”
Ortega y Gasset
The politicians have yanked the scaffolding from under our culture and society. (They had help from the MSM and our 'school system') There is positively NO recourse for anyone in any situation. There can be no discussion and no debate. No rules exist and it is a free for all.
We're done.
Well thank you for introducing me to Gasset. Somehow my long educational process has let him slip through unnoticed.
But I’m not yet quite ready to accept his description of our society. But I am getting closer. As I read FR these days I’m reminded of the description of the Liberty, Equality, Fraternity crowds gathering each day to watch the guillotine fall on the guilty (as related, for example, in the Scarlet Pimpernel.) We have substituted a more civil solution: we simply declare “the guilty” as no longer to be trusted. And we are running out of “innocent” leaders at a record pace. At least here on FR.
Yes, we need leadership in the government that we can actually trust. I don’t see it on the horizon. But then I’m a Freeper after all.
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