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Developer: Kan. caverns could preserve human race
Associated Press ^ | Jun. 20, 2013 9:44 AM EDT | Bill Draper

Posted on 06/20/2013 7:26:32 AM PDT by Olog-hai

After most of the world’s population is wiped off the map by a wayward meteorite or hail of nuclear missiles, the survival of the human race might just depend on a few thousand people huddled in recreational vehicles deep in the bowels of an eastern Kansas mine.

That’s the vision of a California man who is creating what he calls the world's largest private underground survivor shelter, using a complex of limestone caves dug more than 100 years ago beneath gently rolling hills overlooking the Missouri River.

“I do believe I am on a mission and doing a spiritual thing,” said Robert Vicino, who has purchased a large portion of the former U.S. Army storage facility on the southeast edge of Atchison, about 50 miles northwest of Kansas City, Mo. “We will certainly be part of the genesis.”

Before it comes time to ride out Armageddon or a deadly global pandemic, though, Vicino says the Vivos Survival Shelter and Resort will be a fun place for members to take vacations and learn assorted survival skills to prepare them for whatever world-changing catastrophe awaits. …

(Excerpt) Read more at bigstory.ap.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: armageddon; lofan
Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down …
— Amos 9:2
No, this is not a “spiritual thing”, unless by “spiritual” he means something else.
1 posted on 06/20/2013 7:26:32 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Why would the human race want to survive if it has to live beneath Kansas?


2 posted on 06/20/2013 7:27:39 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Why would the human race want to survive if it has to live beneath Kansas?


Easy there, Buckeye! : )


3 posted on 06/20/2013 7:30:01 AM PDT by MWestMom (Psalms 109:8)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

If it happens all of a sudden the only people left alive will be those in the cavern? What if it’s closed for the evenings/holidays? My suggestion: Turn it into a homeless shelter for young women. I’ll provide ‘security.’


4 posted on 06/20/2013 7:31:22 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Olog-hai

“I do believe I am on a mission and doing a spiritual thing,” said Robert Vicino


Or more likely you’ve done the liberal thing and found a great solution for which you must create a problem or crisis.


5 posted on 06/20/2013 7:32:07 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Olog-hai

At least it would make for a good movie....


6 posted on 06/20/2013 7:35:52 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: Olog-hai

A mine is not a cave.


7 posted on 06/20/2013 7:37:37 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Olog-hai

Muffley: Well, I, I would hate to have to decide...who stays up and...who goes down.
Dr. Strangelove: Well, that would not be necessary, Mr. President. It could easily be accomplished with a computer. And a computer could be set and programmed to accept factors from youth, health, sexual fertility, intelligence, and a cross-section of necessary skills. Of course, it would be absolutely vital that our top government and military men be included to foster and impart the required principles of leadership and tradition. Naturally, they would breed prodigiously, eh? There would be much time, and little to do. Ha, ha. But ah, with the proper breeding techniques and a ratio of say, ten females to each male, I would guess that they could then work their way back to the present Gross National Product within say, twenty years


8 posted on 06/20/2013 7:37:38 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (http://thegatwickview.tumblr.com/ -- http://thepurginglutheran.tumblr.com/)
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To: Olog-hai

I posted this in chat within 15 seconds of you. Pretty tight concidering how long it takes to copy and paste all the info.


9 posted on 06/20/2013 7:37:56 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Doctor, you mentioned the ration of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn’t that necessitate the abandonment of the so called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?


10 posted on 06/20/2013 7:38:59 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: caver

AP prerogative to get stuff blatantly wrong.


11 posted on 06/20/2013 7:39:07 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Why would the human race want to survive if it has to live beneath Kansas?

The barbecue?

12 posted on 06/20/2013 7:39:22 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Olog-hai

Understood!


13 posted on 06/20/2013 7:39:31 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Olog-hai
a few thousand people huddled in recreational vehicles...

Anybody consider the carbon monoxide?

14 posted on 06/20/2013 7:39:34 AM PDT by McGruff (I can't speak to the law here. The law is irrelevant,)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

what if the zombies are part of those that are saved in the shelter?


15 posted on 06/20/2013 7:40:59 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: PATRIOT1876
At least it would make for a good movie....

Part of a double-feature with Anthrax Zombies from Hollywood


16 posted on 06/20/2013 7:42:02 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: InvisibleChurch

My kids asked me to watch some crappy movie the other night called 2012. Besides being one of the stupidest movies I have ever seen I did take away one truth, the way they picked the ark passengers is closer to the truth than not. Politicians, elitists, and billionaires will be the chosen, not the rank and file, we don’t have the qualities they desire.


17 posted on 06/20/2013 7:42:47 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Olog-hai
Mr. President, we must not allow... a mine shaft gap!
18 posted on 06/20/2013 7:43:57 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: Olog-hai; InvisibleChurch; Caipirabob; TADSLOS; Norm Lenhart
Take your Pick of References:

A:

Dr. Strangelove:

Where Animals could be bred and SLAUGHTERED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSzoLCCX-Y

Or B:

Fallout:

Where in Vault 101, no one ever enters, and no one EVER leaves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJcuAau2RKA


19 posted on 06/20/2013 7:44:36 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Mr. President. We must not allow a mineshaft gap!

20 posted on 06/20/2013 7:45:13 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: MWestMom

Because it’s close to Wathena ?


21 posted on 06/20/2013 7:45:41 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: ConservativeDude

I think the $36k pricetag would preclude most zombies - that’s out of the range of most EBT balances.


22 posted on 06/20/2013 7:45:53 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

There are times when being UNDERNEATH KS would be a very good thing — such as during tornados and ice storms. The pioneers also survived Indian attacks that way.


23 posted on 06/20/2013 7:46:21 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: NonValueAdded
Muffley:

You mean, people could actually stay down there for a hundred years?

Strangelove:

It would not be difficult mein Fuhrer! Nuclear reactors could, heh... I'm sorry. Mr. President. Nuclear reactors could provide power almost indefinitely. Greenhouses could maintain plantlife. Animals could be bred and slaughtered. A quick survey would have to be made of all the available mine sites in the country. But I would guess... that ah, dwelling space for several hundred thousands of our people could easily be provided.

Muffley:

Well I... I would hate to have to decide.. who stays up and.. who goes down.

Strangelove:

Well, that would not be necessary Mr. President. It could easily be accomplished with a computer. And a computer could be set and programmed to accept factors from youth, health, sexual fertility, intelligence, and a cross section of necessary skills. Of course it would be absolutely vital that our top government and military men be included to foster and impart the required principles of leadership and tradition. Slams down left fist. Right arm rises in stiff Nazi salute. Arrrrr! Restrains right arm with left. Naturally, they would breed prodigiously, eh? There would be much time, and little to do. But ah with the proper breeding techniques and a ratio of say, ten females to each male, I would guess that they could then work their way back to the present gross national product within say, twenty years.

24 posted on 06/20/2013 7:46:53 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: Olog-hai
Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down …

— Amos 9:2

No, this is not a “spiritual thing”, unless by “spiritual” he means something else.

What?! Taking precautions against a possible natural catastrophe - like a space-rock taking out half of humanity - is against God's Divine Will?

I'm guessing that you are also an opponent of small pox vaccinations, iceberg alerts, and levees.

Obviously, the developer is a God-fearing man who would bar entrance to his safehold if the Almighty gave a "heads-up" to the Earth's 7 billion inhabitants that the meteor was part of his inscrutible Divine Plan, and that he actually wanted the whole of humanity to stand around like chickens gawping at the sky and suffer annihilation.

Regards,

25 posted on 06/20/2013 7:47:11 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
If it happens all of a sudden the only people left alive will be those in the cavern?

"A computer could be set and programmed to accept factors from youth, health, sexual fertility, intelligence, and a cross-section of necessary skills. Naturally, they would breed prodigiously, eh? There would be much time, and little to do. But, ah, with the proper breeding techniques and a ratio of say, ten females to each male, I would guess that they could then work their way back to the present gross national product within, say, twenty years. The prevailing emotion will be one of nostalgia for those left behind, combined with a spirit of bold curiosity for the adventure ahead!"


26 posted on 06/20/2013 7:47:13 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson ("AHHH!!!")
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To: Olog-hai

Revelation Chapter 6:

15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; 16 and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; 17
for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”


27 posted on 06/20/2013 7:48:30 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: PATRIOT1876
"KOA 2014: Campgrounds of Armageddon"
28 posted on 06/20/2013 7:49:22 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Olog-hai

29 posted on 06/20/2013 7:50:55 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: MWestMom

Actually a member of my extended family played for the KC Chiefs and said very nice things about Kansas.


30 posted on 06/20/2013 7:51:00 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: MWestMom

Actually a member of my extended family played for the KC Chiefs and said very nice things about Kansas.


31 posted on 06/20/2013 7:51:09 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: afraidfortherepublic
There are times when being UNDERNEATH KS would be a very good thing — such as during tornados

Good point. I pretty much spent the first three years of my life underneath Ohio.


32 posted on 06/20/2013 7:52:24 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Olog-hai

When a man puts his full faith in Jesus Christ and is born again he doesn’t live with a spirit of fear...or at least he shouldn’t. He shouldn’t fear men and he sure shouldn’t fear asteroids because he knows his God sovereignly sustains all things with His Word. A true God-fearing man has no reason to fear anyone or anything other than The Lord. Such a man can say with the Apostle Paul, “to live is Christ, to die is gain.” I’m not suggesting a Christian shouldn’t take reasonable precautions or that he should live recklessly, but undue fear is a form of bondage. Our American ancestors understood this in a way modern Christians seem to have forgotten.

“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” (Matthew 10:28)

“For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.” (Romans 8:15)

“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.” (Psalm 111:10)


33 posted on 06/20/2013 7:52:25 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: caver

“A mine is not a cave.”

A mine is terrible thing to waste.

Or, as my wife says...

A waist is a terrible thing to mine.


34 posted on 06/20/2013 7:54:59 AM PDT by moovova
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To: KC_Lion

Lamplight Caverns...HELLO?!?!? ;)


35 posted on 06/20/2013 7:55:04 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: .45 Long Colt
I’m not suggesting a Christian shouldn’t take reasonable precautions or that he should live recklessly, but undue [emphasis my own] fear is a form of bondage.

Who are you to decide for them when their precautions are "excessive?"

Regards,

36 posted on 06/20/2013 7:55:30 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
I haven't made it that far, yet!

Hell, I just solved the Canterbury Commons and Problems and finally got of my Ass to get help Dad at the Jefferson Memorial.

37 posted on 06/20/2013 7:56:37 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Doctor, you mentioned the ratio of 10 women to each man. Now, wouldn’t that necessitate the abandonment of the so-called monogamous sexual relationship? I mean, as far as men were concerned?


38 posted on 06/20/2013 8:13:03 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I’m a diehard Chiefs fan from way back. We love our players here! Hoping for a turnaround in the team this year. Just one more playoff before I go home to the Lord!

The midwest has been a good place to raise a family. Thank God everyday that he put me here. : )

The caves in the midwest are fascinating places.


39 posted on 06/20/2013 8:13:34 AM PDT by MWestMom (Psalms 109:8)
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To: alexander_busek

Of course it isn’t my place to decide that. Everyone must decide things like that for themselves. If you read what I said, you should have noticed I didn’t even comment on the underground project. I don’t know enough about it to have much of an opinion, so my comment was more of a food for thought comment for like-minded Christians who know Christ is ruling and reigning all things right now at the right-hand of the Father.

I had a client, an atheist, who was a brilliant doctor involved in attempts to dramatically extend human life. Fifteen years ago he told me we were on the cusp of doubling our lifespans. He knew I was a Christian and we had spent time talking about our respective beliefs, so when he told me I would probably live to 150, I suggested his obsession was motivated by his fear of meeting the God he claimed didn’t exist. He laughed at the notion, but it was obvious it rattled him. I enjoyed his reaction.

When I made My earlier comment I had my old client in mind. I also had these Google loons who want to upload human brains. I had those who have themselves preserved cryogenically. “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.” No amount of burrowing or human engineering will ever change that!


40 posted on 06/20/2013 8:17:37 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: MrB

That...is a great point


41 posted on 06/20/2013 8:37:31 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Olog-hai

In North East Suburban KCMO, Park University, mined limestone for years. Now not only is the University Library, and many University offices underground. This includes corporate storage and other company offices. A two lane underground road connects everything quite a set up!


42 posted on 06/20/2013 8:53:11 AM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (God help the Republic but will he?)
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To: Buckeye McFrog; All
Why would the human race want to survive if it has to live beneath Kansas?

C'mon. Belt it out: Some-where Under the Rainbow...

43 posted on 06/20/2013 8:58:59 AM PDT by Colofornian (West went South)
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To: .45 Long Colt
"....my comment was more of a food for thought comment for like-minded Christians...."

That's the way I read it.
"If God is for us, who can be against us?" - surely.

But that doesn't mean I shouldn't "prepare" for "unusual" times before He returns - I think most of us understand that.
Of course, within reason - one shouldn't obsess on "Plan B" at the expense of all else....

44 posted on 06/20/2013 9:04:58 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: moovova

i’ve never seen a hill in ks.


45 posted on 06/20/2013 9:30:08 AM PDT by old gringo
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To: Psalm 73

Exactly. I’m an old scout. I fully believe in God’s sovereignty in all things, but that does not mean I don’t believe in being prepared. And I generally am prepared.


46 posted on 06/20/2013 9:33:44 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Olog-hai
How they did it in the past during the Millerite craze.


47 posted on 06/20/2013 10:58:48 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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