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AP: GOP Basic Strategy For 2016 Looks Deeply Unsettled
AP ^ | June 22, 2013

Posted on 06/22/2013 9:13:12 AM PDT by maggief

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Republican Party's road map for winning presidential elections looks hazier than ever as GOP lawmakers and others reject what many considered obvious lessons from Mitt Romney's loss last year.

House Republicans are rebelling against the key recommendation of a party-sanctioned post-mortem: embrace "comprehensive immigration reform" or suffer crippling losses among Hispanic voters in 2016 and beyond.

Widespread rejection of warnings from establishment Republicans goes beyond that, however. Many activists say the party simply needs to articulate its conservative principles more skillfully, without modifying any policies, even after losing the popular vote in five of the past six presidential elections.

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Lindsey Graham:

"It's impossible winning the presidency getting 27 percent of the Hispanic vote, 30 percent of the Asian vote and 7 percent of the African-American vote," Graham said. "America is changing."

1 posted on 06/22/2013 9:13:12 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

GRAHAM is right, but his prescription is WRONG.


2 posted on 06/22/2013 9:14:54 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: maggief
"America is changing."

That must mean he's planning to come out of the closet.

3 posted on 06/22/2013 9:16:15 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: maggief

It’s impossible winning it by losing 100% of the conservative vote, too.


4 posted on 06/22/2013 9:16:56 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: maggief

After Dole, McCain, and Romney, they really think the problem is that we need to be MORE moderate?


5 posted on 06/22/2013 9:17:05 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: maggief

“embrace “comprehensive immigration reform” or suffer crippling losses among Hispanic voters in 2016 and beyond.”

Classic false choice.


6 posted on 06/22/2013 9:17:20 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: maggief

GOP Basic Strategy for 2016: Be just like the Democrats, but convince Conservatives to vote for us.

Yeah....that is deeply unsettled. To the point of being FREAKING INSANE.


7 posted on 06/22/2013 9:17:56 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: icwhatudo

I think that they don’t quite understand the word “think”.


8 posted on 06/22/2013 9:18:49 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: maggief

So the GOP has now lost two elections in a row, by being milquetoast, and pretending to be moderate.

Scr@w that.

Be conservative, and pro-American. It is so simple.


9 posted on 06/22/2013 9:19:36 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: maggief

Dems have corruption and populism on their side.

Now they also have the “big data” techniques they used in 2012, which target basically down to the individual voter.

IMHO, the Repub party is toast, forever, gone.

They’ve lost their base, only a few new guys in Congress represent the base at all.

The center will vote Dem because Repubs are just Dem-lite.


10 posted on 06/22/2013 9:24:57 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: maggief

The Democrats are stuck withrunning Hillary, Biden or the Screamer.

No wonder the AP wants to talk about the Republicans


11 posted on 06/22/2013 9:25:16 AM PDT by digger48
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To: maggief

The Republican Party’s road map for winning presidential elections looks hazier than ever
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Republicans have no map, compass or destination in mind. Democrats have a GPS, precise waypoints, and a well defined route to get where they want to go.


12 posted on 06/22/2013 9:26:48 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: maggief

I’m so happy the AP is willing to help out the Republicans with a 2016 strategy.


13 posted on 06/22/2013 9:27:27 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: maggief

Try losing 50% of your base, Linda.


14 posted on 06/22/2013 9:30:44 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: maggief
Women decide elections. Not blacks, asians, or hispanic.
15 posted on 06/22/2013 9:31:46 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: maggief

It’s really simple. GOP should represent the ignored working middle class. Right now Republicans have bonded with the rich end of society, Democrats have bonded with the poor end of society, the working middle class who elected Reagan are abandoned. You choose either money or votes.

BTW - The working middle class includes Hispanics.


16 posted on 06/22/2013 9:35:18 AM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Theoria

I’m not quite sure Graham understands women voters ... or women in general.


17 posted on 06/22/2013 9:35:34 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Their strategy is to lose the close ones, and turn any winning newcomer’s into Rinubios!


18 posted on 06/22/2013 9:35:47 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: maggief
Two essential points:

1. You do not "win' by allowing opportunists who want your support to persuade you to abandon the principles that originally drew you to the contest. Those Republicans who urge this course clearly prove that principles are not part of their arsenal.

2. The argument being made by those Republicans who urge a continuation of the de facto immigration policy, which invites in large numbers of people who have no interest, whatsoever, in preserving the culture of the Founding Fathers, is essentially one that calls for replacing the rooted American population, with an essentially foreign one. This is tantamount to a virtual war against American ethnicity; against the "posterity" of those who framed our written Constitution, and named the "liberty" of that "posterity," a primary object for setting up the political system, which these turncoat politicians, now seek to exploit for their own gains.

What is remarkable, here, is that the AP has so little objectivity, that this "news" item, makes treason or its "kissing cousin" sound like a reasonable political strategy.

William Flax

19 posted on 06/22/2013 9:38:55 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: maggief

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh...........................

Remember, ANYBODY?? ANYBODY AT ALL????

The last time we ran a conservative, we ONLY WON forty-nine of the fifty-seven states?

COULDN’T POSSIBLY do that again, now eh Lindsay??


20 posted on 06/22/2013 9:40:43 AM PDT by Flintlock ("The redcoats are coming" -- TO SEIZE OUR GUNS!!--Paul Revere)
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; GOPJ; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; thouworm; TADSLOS; NYer; The Mayor; ...
(Yawn) DNC/Ohaha are running scared--- manipulating public opinion early in the 2016 game---playing head games to throw off the stench of all the scandals.

Those numbers will change dramatically. Wait'll the Repubs start focus-grouping----the political dynamic will change overnight.

The stench from the Ohaha screw-ups has no end:

<><> there's the Benghazi stench

<><> Hillary's state dept's coverup of sex scandals---obstructing justice---scrubbing investigations

<><> Eric "Stinkeroo" Holder's doj stenches (ap--rosen PLUS holder suggesting USSC and Congress' Verizon blackberries were monitored)

<><> stencharama: IRS tea party targeting (IRS haters are legion)

<><> IRS stealing thousands of medical records

<><> HHS' Sibelius fund-raising Obamacare providers

<><> NSA snooping--infuriating millions of young twitter/facebook users

<><> IRS sending 32,000 EITC refunds to illegals at ONE address.

21 posted on 06/22/2013 9:47:30 AM PDT by Liz
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To: maggief

The GOP Establishment is comprised of moderate socialists to down right liberal leftists. Until the Party gets rid of these DC blue blood anti-Conservatives, the GOP is dead.


22 posted on 06/22/2013 9:49:42 AM PDT by By and By (Dime Store New Dealers are Milquetoast and Liberal)
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To: Liz

However, the GOP won’t win with a throwing sh!t alone campaign. That won’t sastisfy 24,000,000 people looking for work.


23 posted on 06/22/2013 9:50:54 AM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: ex-snook

Bump.

BRING BACK AMERICAN JOBS.


24 posted on 06/22/2013 9:52:09 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Starboard

Yep, they are professional Ivy League Alinskyites, well indoctrinated, entrenched and motivated. The Republicans have been milquetoast for a long time, all my life, and I have been around since the early 50s.


25 posted on 06/22/2013 9:55:03 AM PDT by By and By (Dime Store New Dealers are Milquetoast and Liberal)
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To: maggief

And we all know that AP is worried sick that the GOP won’t win in 2016. Who believes this tripe?


26 posted on 06/22/2013 10:02:05 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: maggief
"Many activists say the party simply needs to articulate its conservative principles more skillfully, without modifying any policies, even after losing the popular vote in five of the past six presidential elections."

And who exactly was the last great articulator of the conservative message in a Presidetial election. Ronaldus Magnus. But then, he only won 49 states.

Q.E.D.

27 posted on 06/22/2013 10:04:25 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: maggief

NPR is worried about the GOP’s chances ?


28 posted on 06/22/2013 10:05:27 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: By and By

The GOPe is an entrenched and fairly well funded bureaucracy. And the number one goal of a bureaucracy is self-preservation. They will resist reform by subterfuge and every action imaginable. IMHO it would be easier to start with a clean slate.


29 posted on 06/22/2013 10:08:53 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Liz

We can win ‘16 handily with Walker/Cruz. Sarah Chief of Staff to winnow out, nay, CAST out in flames the bureaucracy.


30 posted on 06/22/2013 10:09:35 AM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: Liz
The stench from the Ohaha screw-upsCRIMES has no end:

FIFY.

31 posted on 06/22/2013 10:11:56 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: maggief
Graham said. "America is changing."

Is he attending Senate sessions in full make-up, a sundress and strappy sandals yet?

32 posted on 06/22/2013 10:14:13 AM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: maggief
Two more points, in addition to those made in reply #19:

1. If Graham succeeds in legalizing tens of millions of new Hispanic voters, winning will indeed be more difficult. But with a still rooted White majority vote, all that would be required to win, even given the percentages of minority votes that he describes, is for the White voters to wake up. (Also, a more Conservative approach to Republican politics, could actually increase our share of the East Asian vote.)

2. Also, Graham is so intent upon surrendering the American heritage to a Leftist international culture, that he misses the most obvious point, with respect to his own statistics. There is a fundamental conflict of interest between those whom he insulting calls "African-Americans" and the Hispanic interests to which he seeks to pander. Those illegals, as well as those whom he would admit legally, are taking jobs & potential jobs, from our rooted Black population. If he had any sense, he would recognize this problem & address it, not run after the agenda of the Leftist internationalists, like a dog with his tale between his legs.

William Flax

33 posted on 06/22/2013 10:14:44 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Starboard
The GOPe is an entrenched and fairly well funded bureaucracy.

Backed fully by the CFR and international financiers.

34 posted on 06/22/2013 10:15:32 AM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: Starboard

“IMHO it would be easier to start with a clean slate”

Exactly, and I doubt that will happen without entropy. We will only find salvation after the Phoenix rises from the ashes.


35 posted on 06/22/2013 10:16:04 AM PDT by By and By (Dime Store New Dealers are Milquetoast and Liberal)
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To: Liz

Very nice post...*still holding nose*


36 posted on 06/22/2013 10:16:41 AM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: Flintlock
Remember, ANYBODY?? ANYBODY AT ALL????

The last time we ran a conservative, we ONLY WON forty-nine of the fifty-seven states?

But Reagan was before the CFR, globalists, Bushes, and NWO were calling the shots.

:-(

37 posted on 06/22/2013 10:19:15 AM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: maggief

Find it strange when the excuse is being given that while the government knows whats going on in 300 million citizens lives but because the illegals are not citizens and in “the shadows” according to Florida’s Senator Rubio the US doesn’t know who they are or where they’re comming from so we must make them citizens..

THE QUESTION IS SENATORS AND CONGRESS MEMBERS ...WHY ARE YOU SO SET ON IMPORTING LOW WAGE LABORERS MAINLY FROM ONE COUNTRY WHICH TAKE UP JOBS OUR YOUTH COULD BE PERFORMING AND HURTING THE BLACK AMERICAN JOB MARKET ?

FR’s ; are urged to visit their respective Congressional Representatives and let them know their feelings

WHEN IT COMES TO AMNESTY

THIS IS THE MEXICAN PART NO ONE DARES MENTION

If you agree with the above and the following please don’t let it lay here in FR-land. Pass it on to to your favorite talk show host and to your US legislators. PUSH THE HASTERT RULE.

ONE NATIONALITY AMNESTY SKEWS QUOTAS. HURTS OTHERS FROM SOUTH AMERICA, AND SKILLED LABOR QUOTAS FROM OTHER NATIONS ...WORSE YET OFFERING AMNESTY FOR NATIONALS FROM A COUNTRY THAT HAS CLAIMS ON OUR NATIONAL TERRITORY THAT COULD AND HAS TURNED INTO PROBLEMS FOR BORDER STATES CLAIMED BY MEXICO ?

In that May 3rd speech Obama gave before the Mexican Anthropological Museum in which he blamed America for the violence in Mexico I believe he went even futhur. There’s a inference but never referenced by name to the Gasden purchase and border settlements US made with Mexico where Obama hinted he seems to side with the Mexican claims. Would those in attendence share that view is a question that should be asked, because I believe they would,.he does.

SOLVING THE ‘LATINO” PROBLEM A MYTH HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE BUT A POLITICAL LINGUISTIC CONTRIVANCE ...don’t fall into the hyphenated Americans trap created by the hyphenated political party ...The DEMO-COMS

The Mexicans have been getting most favorable treatment above the rest of our neighbors both north and south. They’re permitted to cross our borders and enter illegally and are allowed access to rights of citizenship (with the exception of voting which if the democrat party regains control over the House will happen) other nationals entering this country don’t get.. Worse yet the Obama government has been working hand in glove with Mexican movements such as LaRaza supporting the Mexican claims which are also supporting “Amnesty”.

Also by allowing Mexicans to do this any quota ration for immigration from other south and central American countrys are taken up by Mexicans while that country is laying claim to a large chunk of our sovereign territory is a recipe for later serious problems which are happening now.

ARE MEXICAN ILLEGALS SQUATTERS PERPETUATING THE MEXICAN CLAIMS ?

We are already seeing the result of this in certain areas claimed by the Mexicans. Their national flag (standard) gets displayed over ours. Where there is a controlling number of Mexican nationals (illegals). It’s displayed over certain institutions particularly schools accompanied by riots and disturbances. Blacks are threatend by Mexicans in certain sections of citys in those areas. We’re courting trouble by not placing a value on our sovereignty and our citizenship.

MOST COINS OF THE REALM HAVE TWO FACES WHAT ABOUT HOW ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS LIVING IN MEXICO BEING TREATED ?

Worse yet if a US citizen goes into Mexico never mind illegaly but legally. They’ll get 2nd class treatment. Land ownership in title is prohibited period. And there are a slew of regulations they must comply with. Which doesn’t apply to a citizen of Mexico

THE SOLUTION ASSERT OUR SOVEREIGNTY AND TALK RECIPROCITY .

By not insisting on reciprocity particularly on those who have entered this country illegally we’re offering no incentive for assimilation and we’re not easing the burden for our fellow citizens who for what ever reason decided to live in Mexico.

ENOUGH OF THE ONE WORLD SOCIALISM ...BRING BACK SOVEREIGNTY AND SANITY TO OUR COUNTRY .....BRING BACK BELIEF IN GOD ...THIS GOVERNMENT OUT OUR FACE..... OUR RELIGIONS..... AND OUR BEDROOMS..


38 posted on 06/22/2013 10:19:56 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: maggief

The GOPe strategy looks pretty rock solid to me - - go along with the scumbag Democrats on everything while trying not to look like it.


39 posted on 06/22/2013 10:24:58 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Liz
Wait'll the Repubs start focus-grouping----the political dynamic will change overnight.

LOL!
The GOPe will soil themselves, pretend nothing happened, and then check in with Frank Luntz.

/facepalm

40 posted on 06/22/2013 10:27:22 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: maggief

Their 2016 strategy is the same as their 2008 and 2012 strategy: “Keep doing the banksters’ bidding and hope that they and their media puppets decide that this time it’s Our Turn.”


41 posted on 06/22/2013 10:28:19 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: maggief; socialismisinsidious; GailA; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; sheik yerbouty; jesseam; Ravi; ...
Republican strategist Steve Lombardo said the party needs to change its tactics and messaging, not its underlying principles. The problem, he said, is not "that the party is conservative, but rather that it spends too much time on issues that are not salient to a wide swath of Americans." That includes, Lombardo said, "dozens of House votes to overturn Obamacare with no hope of Senate passage."

I don't know who the heck this Steve Lombardo is, but to call repealing Obamacare "not salient to a wide swath of Americans" is just plain moronic. Has he seen any public opinion polls where a majority of Americans don't want Obamacare repealed? Does Lombardo have to be reminded that if Obamacare is not repealed, his life, just like anyone else's, could hinge on the whims of a government death panel?

Sure as hell sounds salient to anyone who doesn't want to die unnecessarily at the hands of a government bureaucracy. Or, for example, who doesn't want to pay unnecessarily high premiums for mandatory one-size-fits-all coverage that he wouldn't otherwise want, or that his employer would have provided him except for the high expense. Or who doesn't want to be laid off because his employer can't afford his mandated coverages.

Repeal not salient? Only to fools like Lombardo, not to a wide swath of Americans.

42 posted on 06/22/2013 10:33:58 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: maggief
So sell our sovereignty to win an election.
43 posted on 06/22/2013 10:39:42 AM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: maggief

44 posted on 06/22/2013 10:41:19 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: maggief
"It's impossible winning the presidency getting 27 percent of the Hispanic vote, 30 percent of the Asian vote and 7 percent of the African-American vote," Graham said. "America is changing."

You mean like the 31% George H.W. Bush got a mere 2 years after the LAST amnesty? What a reward!

45 posted on 06/22/2013 10:43:02 AM PDT by montag813
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To: icwhatudo

Regardless of what we post, the Reince Priebus GOP-E machinery of the GOP in Washington and many of the states is very focused on notions of reaching Hispanics, black voters etc......


46 posted on 06/22/2013 10:52:03 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: Ohioan

1. You do not “win’ by allowing opportunists who want your support to persuade you to abandon the principles that originally drew you to the contest. Those Republicans who urge this course clearly prove that principles are not part of their arsenal.
I do like this point. It also made me think i wouldn’t want to vote for someone who runs on a false plank in order to win. as in a wink and a nod and just pull the lever for me and in the end i’ll be whatever you need.


47 posted on 06/22/2013 10:54:12 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: maggief

I wonder if anyone every said “In order to defeat the Nazis, we must BECOME the Nazis.”


48 posted on 06/22/2013 10:54:14 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: montag813

The Asian vote is out there. The Asians are more apt to be main stream Americans even if they are living in the local “China town.”
The biggest problem is,and i live in NYC so i do have more than a hint, is the older more reliable voters will fall in line and in the big cities the dems have their handful of go to guys in those communities. I think this is typical Republican stupidity. They don’t even try to get that vote. That 30 % is more of a base than anything else.


49 posted on 06/22/2013 10:59:50 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: montag813

“You mean like the 31% George H.W. Bush got a mere 2 years after the LAST amnesty? What a reward!”

Bravo!!!! That is an absolute home run of a point you made there! Anti-amnesty conservatives need to push that one wire to wire!


50 posted on 06/22/2013 11:05:13 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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