Million Engineers Struggling to Find a Job

Townhall.com ^ | June 23, 2013 | Mike Shedlock

[Kaslin]

It's tough to find a job everywhere: in the US, in China, in Europe, and in India.

Think education is the answer? I don't.

Economic Times reports amillion engineers in India struggling to get placed in an extremely challenging market

Somewhere between a fifth to a third of the million students graduating out of India's engineering colleges run the risk of being unemployed. Others will take jobs well below their technical qualifications in a market where there are few jobs for India's overflowing technical talent pool. Beset by a flood of institutes (offering a varying degree of education) and a shrinking market for their skills, India's engineers are struggling to subsist in an extremely challenging market.

According to multiple estimates, India trains around 1.5 million engineers, which is more than the US and China combined. However, two key industries hiring these engineers -- information technology and manufacturing -- are actually hiring fewer people than before.

For example, India's IT industry, a sponge for 50-75% of these engineers will hire 50,000 fewer people this year, according to Nasscom. Manufacturing, too, is facing a similar stasis, say HR consultants and skills evaluation firms.

According to data from AICTE, the regulator for technical education in India, there were 1,511 engineering colleges across India, graduating over 550,000 students back in 2006-07. Fuelled by fast growth, especially in the $110 billion outsourcing market, a raft of new colleges sprung up -- since then, the number of colleges and graduates have doubled.

Engineers Churned Out in Spades



So what does India do with those excess engineers?

Some end up in the US on work visas because the US citizens purportedly do not have the right skills. In reality, there are plenty of skills here, but foreign workers will work for a lot less. Since companies can hire a programmer from India or Russia for 1/3 the cost of a US worker, that's what happens.

Training more engineers, here, or in China, or in India will not help. There is a glut of high-tech talent.

On Tuesday, wroteEpic Glut of Graduates Depresses Wages; Fake Job Offers Taint Hiring Statistics.

The article was about a glut of graduates in China with no job, but it could just as easily been about India or the US. This is what I said:

How is [the situation in China] different than the average liberal arts major in the US expecting the world at their doorstep just because they have a useless degree that prepares them to do nothing more than work as a part-time retail clerk, 25 hours a week, dumped into the Obamacare system?

Yet, we are told education is the answer, without ever addressing the questions "for who? at what cost? in what field?"

These articles were purportedly about China. Change the names and faces and the stories are not much different than you can find right here in the US, in Italy, in France, or anywhere else in a slow-grow global economy.

After growing at an astronomical rate for years, the cost of education is going to plunge. Job statistics will force that outcome.

If education was the answer, there would not be millions of engineers looking for jobs.

[BwanaNdege]

...if properly educated and trained,...<

Way back in the mid-1960's at Ga Tech, we were told, "If and when you guys graduate from Tech, don't think you are engineers. You have been taught enough to understand the language, to have the requisite skills and to learn from those at your first job who will train you to become an engineer."

The education, even from excellent schools, is not enough to make an engineer. Training in a particular field is needed to make a good engineer. An innate mindset is necessary to make a great engineer.

For an enjoyable read and an excellent example of a "great engineer", read Nevil Shute's "Trustee from the Toolroom."

[Mr. K]

I hate ‘testing’ interviews so much I refuse to do them anymore

When someone asks if I will do a ‘brain bench’ I tell them no, I have been doing this for 25 years- I don’t want or need to be taking tests anymore.

The last time someone asked “what is the difference between a Class and a Struct?” I said- go look it up... and ended the interview

[musicman]

[Lazamataz]

[Lazamataz]

When someone asks if I will do a ‘brain bench’ I tell them no, I have been doing this for 25 years- I don’t want or need to be taking tests anymore. The last time someone asked “what is the difference between a Class and a Struct?” I said- go look it up... and ended the interview.

I have taken to leaping over the table and pummelling them with my fists until they give me the job.

[Mr. K]

That works for you? I had no success with that method

I must be doing it wrong

[longtermmemmory]

need?
why?

they will hire those that are 1/3 the cost of an overpriced engineer.

[Grzegorz 246]

“These articles were purportedly about China. Change the names and faces and the stories are not much different than you can find right here in the US, in Italy, in France, or anywhere else in a slow-grow global economy.”

Global economic slow-down is one thing, another is enormous expansion of “academic industry” (as that is how it should be called) around the world in the last two decades, when in fact majority of jobs, even in the most advanced countries are for factory workers, builders, retail clerks, drivers etc. “Universities” (often full of morons, who would struggle to find a real job) produce far more graduates than business will ever need and governments turn a blind eye to it as that’s what make unemployment statistics look better (on paper of course) when millions of people stay “in education” for a few more years.