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Snowden heads to Venezuela via Moscow, Havana: airline source
Reuters ^ | 6/23/2013

Posted on 06/23/2013 8:14:12 AM PDT by markomalley

Former U.S. National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden will fly from Moscow to Cuba on Monday and then plans to go to Venezuela, a source at the Russian airline Aeroflot said on Sunday.

The source said Snowden was already on his way to Moscow from Hong Kong and would leave for Havana within 24 hours.

The South China Morning Post also reported that Snowden had left Hong Kong for Moscow and that his final destination might be Ecuador or Iceland. The WikiLeaks anti-secrecy website said Snowden was heading for an unnamed "democratic nation".

The flight to Moscow prompted speculation that Snowden might remain in Russia, whose leaders accuse the United States of double standards on democracy and have championed public figures who challenge Western governments.

But Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said he was unaware of Snowden's plans and the Foreign Ministry declined immediate comment on whether he had asked for asylum.

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To: CharlesWayneCT

Elections have consequences....Next time, choose wisely, America.


51 posted on 06/23/2013 8:49:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: winodog

Another thing not getting any attention are the connections between the NSA and the contractors. Seems odd to me that no one has mentioned that James Clapper was himself an executive with Booz Allen (the company Snowden worked for)

I’m guessing Clapper walked away with a nice chunk of stock, how odd that the company ended up with that $6 billion contract. And lets not forget John Brennan and his private security background.


52 posted on 06/23/2013 8:49:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: no-to-illegals

The only thing in this affair that I trust is Snowden’s location, down to a city area.

Everything else I suspect is disinformation.

He’s going to Iceland, is my guess.


53 posted on 06/23/2013 8:52:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: no-to-illegals

I have a theory. I do not believe it is a coincidence what happened with the NSA leaks. First the Justice Department, then the IRS, then the drones and now this?

No, this was done intentionally to remind Americans how far it is willing to go to ensure no one rises up against the government.

Now the ammo shortages make sense.


54 posted on 06/23/2013 8:54:03 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
December 24, 1991: The only positive accomplishment of the Communists was to synchronize the Russian calendar with the rest of Europe and the Americas and most importantly with the seasons.
55 posted on 06/23/2013 8:57:13 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
was done intentionally

yep, most everything is done intentionally when a power structure begins and continues a path. No disagreement.

56 posted on 06/23/2013 9:00:24 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Gay State Conservative
If you flee to China,the USSR,Iran,North Korea,Venezuela or any other enemy of this nation

You should add "Washington, DC" to your list.

57 posted on 06/23/2013 9:00:25 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: cripplecreek

I don’t think there are any direct flights from Moscow to Iceland. They are all via somewhere else like Norway, UK, Denmark..


58 posted on 06/23/2013 9:02:41 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Good point. This could be “them” saying this is the way it is gonna be, get use to it.
If anyone makes any noise about it, silence them.

Interesting times get more interesting by the day


59 posted on 06/23/2013 9:03:54 AM PDT by winodog
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To: Travis McGee

It only means that they cant do it out in the open. At this point, Snowden has caused enough harm that jurisdiction should not be an issue for the CIA. Bang the hornet’s nest enough, you will get stung.

The sooner he faces the music in US hands, the better. When he decided to break his oath - especially amongst countries hostile to the United States, he lost any sympathy there was to be had.

When he is captured by the US, they need to make an public example of him. The example would be that you dont leak secrets to hostile countries(never mind him breaking his oath), no matter what administration exists. Then do the same to his enablers. It is not a pleasant thing to do, but he decided that his judgment was worth more than the harm caused by his actions.

It’s a shame that this isnt a Reagan administration that would have had no issue with grabbing Snowden at his first stop.


60 posted on 06/23/2013 9:06:28 AM PDT by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: wideawake

Yes! I think the “red” Russian plane PROVES he is working for “red” China!!!!!!!!!

Both have “red” in the name!


61 posted on 06/23/2013 9:06:54 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” - Tacitus)
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To: dfwgator
There is no USSR.

On paper.

62 posted on 06/23/2013 9:10:52 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

In reality.


63 posted on 06/23/2013 9:11:31 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Russia has always been Imperialistic, even in the days of the Czars.


64 posted on 06/23/2013 9:12:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: markomalley

There is a USSR, Snowden is a traitor, and China, which made your underwear and socks, is an enemy! Where have I landed, in a parallel universe?


65 posted on 06/23/2013 9:14:45 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: markomalley

At first he seemed like a breath of fresh air, but it now appears he is a spy giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Drone the bastard.


66 posted on 06/23/2013 9:15:08 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: winodog
This appears more than a little strange (the government pursuit of Snowden). The power structure wants to silence someone because of something that probably is insignificant, in that, anyone paying attention knew the probability of what was told us by Snowden was being made known before Snowden spoke up, over ten plus years ago. Something else or someone elses is thinking there maybe is something too big to cover-up is about to come out and covering it up would do nothing to stop the consequences? Something else must be going on and a lot of someones know what this something else is ... like maybe Able Danger was something else going on which Americans were never told of, in depth? My apology for the questions. Am doing my best to make sense of what appears to be senselessly pursuing someone that only told what was already known, and am having difficulty believing Snowden has committed a crime. Maybe am all wet, but I thought our rights included oversight of those in power which am sensing is not the case and has not been the case for nearing a century.
67 posted on 06/23/2013 9:15:10 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Timber Rattler

Just heard the State Department has invalidated Snowden’s passport.

Heh.


68 posted on 06/23/2013 9:15:57 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Just heard the State Department has invalidated Snowden’s passport.

Oh, that'll work. /s

69 posted on 06/23/2013 9:16:36 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: markomalley

A lot of ex-pats are heading to Ecuador. International Living magazine has rated Ecuador number one overall for ex-pats. I wonder how long a small nation could hold out against the NSA? I would think that the NSA could threaten a small country with a version of the Stuxnet aimed at the power grid or communications system. And if the NSA tries to pull some crap like this, expect a likewise response from China, Russia or an anonymous group of hackers against the US.
A Muslim US dictator in control of the NSA; this story will not end well I fear.


70 posted on 06/23/2013 9:20:31 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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To: BenLurkin

No doubt this guy is in with the leftists now, but what the government is doing to all of us by collecting all the data about our phone calls, internet use etc. etc. is wrong.

Does anyone really trust the present Administration with all that information????????

The best solution is for no government of any party to be doing this.....


71 posted on 06/23/2013 9:22:39 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: dfwgator

It might.

The State Department has notified the Russian Interior Ministry and the FSB that they want Snowden deported back to the USA or surrendered to US authorities in Moscow (the CIA station chief at the US Embassy there).

Best thing to do is red-flag him on INTERPOL, and that might be next; that only takes one phone call to INTERPOL HQ.

If I were POTUS, I’d pull a Reagan and intercept the jet he’s on and force it to land either in the US or a friendly country and take him into custody.


72 posted on 06/23/2013 9:23:11 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: markomalley

This idiot should be killed


73 posted on 06/23/2013 9:24:21 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: dfwgator

Elections have consequences....Next time, choose wisely, America.
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Currently, Americans seem to favor Hilary who couldn’t even run a single department. But she is a powerful, cunning and manipulative leftist and could therefore do more damage to this country than even the empty suit Obama.


74 posted on 06/23/2013 9:25:43 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: mylife
This guy is operating against our interests.

When it come to "our interests," I'd like to suggest a true American motto; "Duty, Honor, Country!"

Snowden's revealing Obama led corruption is doing service to our country.

75 posted on 06/23/2013 9:27:18 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

A thread this am said he was given new papers thru the wiki leaks crew! That would invalidate his US papers!

Maybe even a new identity????

Still say he was/is CIA. And is being used as a payback for what DC did to Petraeus He hasn’t said anything that wasn’t told by previous whistleblowers. Did you see the WB on “her Aldo “ last night. 0 is charging anyone who questions what is going on with treason ! Time to get all of them together on a very public forum.


76 posted on 06/23/2013 9:27:39 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: dfwgator

I don’t think it’d stop Snowden either, but it definitely makes it that much harder for him not to make a mistake. It’s only one piece of the puzzle of how he’ll end up back in US hands.


77 posted on 06/23/2013 9:27:57 AM PDT by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: Travis McGee

Not sure about that, population 300k is not enough.


78 posted on 06/23/2013 9:29:41 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: markomalley
While I'm glad that the extent of NSA Domestic Spying has come into common knowledge (though for most FReepers, it has been known for years), any sympathy I had for Snowden ended when he disclosed specific Chinese IP addresses that NSA hacked.

Those IP's look like HK citizens, not PRC IP's. HK citizens are the ones who are anti tyrant. The PRC would be the ones who are the tyrants.

I reserve my judgement.

79 posted on 06/23/2013 9:32:20 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Starboard
Do we truly know Americans seem to favor Hilary or is this simply what ‘We the Sheep’ are being told?
80 posted on 06/23/2013 9:33:00 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: hoosiermama

A thread this am said he was given new papers thru the wiki leaks crew! That would invalidate his US papers!

Maybe even a new identity????
________________________

That could explain it.

Easiest solution: put a $5,000,000 bounty on his head. Money talks - it’s the true international language, LOL. Make it publicly known. He may not be arrested overnight, but ultimately they’ll get him.

Snowden should’ve gone to the ACLU; they’d be practically orgasmic over something like this, and he’d be keeping ‘in the family’ so to speak by whistleblowing to a domestic organization.


81 posted on 06/23/2013 9:34:38 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: hoosiermama

excellent points


82 posted on 06/23/2013 9:34:42 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Name a country willing to protect him that is strong enough and not our allied.


83 posted on 06/23/2013 9:34:47 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
many simply want Snowden dead ... I still do not understand why though.
84 posted on 06/23/2013 9:35:46 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

No, this was done intentionally to remind Americans how far it is willing to go to ensure no one rises up against the government.
**********
The rise of the Tea Party scared them to the core.


85 posted on 06/23/2013 9:36:56 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: kenmcg

This bromance with Snowden has to stop! This story is not about the snotty assed punk that revealed that our Constitution has been torn asunder in the name of security.

It is a story of how conservatives are so weak-minded that any mention of Snowden leaking information to the enemy gives everyone in the Government a free pass.

Everyone lost their privacy and the Constitution has been trampled, spit upon, and crushed by the weight of an oppressive government, but that is alright because we don’t like Snowden, right. We have met the enemy and it is us.

And yes, I don’t care how many privacy invasion secrets he reveals and if it hurts the United States, because guess what, “We deserve it this time.” America is destroyed.


86 posted on 06/23/2013 9:37:11 AM PDT by BushCountry (We Wanted a President That Listens to All Americans - Now We Have One!)
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To: markomalley

All of a sudden we have supporters of the Obama regime here. Please read: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3034602/posts


87 posted on 06/23/2013 9:37:28 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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sometimes there are lies and at other times there are simply ‘danged lies’. We only know what we are being told, always.


88 posted on 06/23/2013 9:38:13 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

Not dead - he’s an American citizen and as such he should stand before a court and a jury.


89 posted on 06/23/2013 9:38:55 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Travis McGee
Yes Venzueala and Cuba sounds like disinformation. That said I'm pretty sure Super Bowl Ring Putin will try to extract real damaging info from Snowden.

I reserve my judgement about Snowden.

90 posted on 06/23/2013 9:40:47 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Tau Food

“but most Americans see Snowden for what he really is.”

And you know this, how”


91 posted on 06/23/2013 9:40:50 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

lots of consequences when posting a five million dollar reward. Dead is a normal result of rewards.


92 posted on 06/23/2013 9:41:25 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Tau Food
but most Americans see Snowden for what he really is.

They sure as Hell don't see Obama for what he really is.

93 posted on 06/23/2013 9:41:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

or at least that is what we are told.


94 posted on 06/23/2013 9:43:24 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: OldNavyVet

How true. From zero hedge—’Just to confirm that in a world in which China and Russia (and Caracas... and Cuba) are increasingly seen as the paragons of liberty, virtue, and civil rights and the US is slowly but surely sinking into the role of the turnkey totalitarian tyranny antagonist, we just got this from House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers: “Edward Snowden’s reported choice to fly to Cuba and Venezuela undermines his whistleblower claims... Everyone of those nations is hostile to the United States, the Michigan Republican said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” news talk show. “When you think about what he says he wants and what his actions are, it defies logic,” said Rogers.

Actually, Mike, when “you think about what he says”, his actions make all the sense in the world, and certainly validate his “whistleblower claims.”

Rogers added that the U.S. government must exhaust all legal options to get Snowden back to the United States, Rogers said. Of course it must: like any totalitarian emperor state exposed before the entire world with no clothes on, it only makes sense to focus on the messenger, and not on the underlying message.

And now back to a panicking administration which is forced to come up with escalating PR responses to a global scandal that is changing by the minute, on a completely ad hoc basis.

Next up: how to punish Hong Kong for not only flagrantly ignoring US orders, but humiliating the US before the entire world with its insubordination.’


95 posted on 06/23/2013 9:43:51 AM PDT by yadent
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To: OldNavyVet

I am with you.

Snowden revealed the totalitarians inside the wire.

Protect the Constitution from *all* enemies, foreign and domestic.

What would you do if you knew, and could prove that the federal government was operating way outside its legal and Constitutional bounds?


96 posted on 06/23/2013 9:43:53 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple

The NSA looks out for Obama’s enemies, not our enemies.


97 posted on 06/23/2013 9:44:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: no-to-illegals

Heh. Very true.

You can always specify, ‘Alive’, that is, the reward isn’t paid if Snowden is dead.


98 posted on 06/23/2013 9:44:49 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

yep, that always works. Do I need a /s?


99 posted on 06/23/2013 9:48:00 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: dfwgator; Tau Food

I really dislike when an argument is made on ‘everyone’.

It’s like someone must think were in middle school peer pressuring an insecure child into something. We know how we feel about topics here. And personally, I don’t care if everyone feels whatever. I don’t follow the crowd, I follow my own convictions on what is right.


100 posted on 06/23/2013 9:49:23 AM PDT by HollyB
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