Oil industry loses legal battle against E15

Fuel Fix ^ | June 24, 2013 | Jennifer A. Dlouhy

[lacrew]

Huh? I don’t think the octane magically erases the lower energy content.

Here on this gubment website it says that E85 gives you 25%-30% less mileage:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/ethanol.shtml

[thackney]

Link:

CUP: New Ethanol Fuel Expected To Boost Horsepower, Hurt Fuel Mileage
http://nascar.speedtv.com/article/cup-new-ethanol-fuel-expected-to-boost-horsepower-hurt-fuel-mileage/

[ChildOfThe60s]

We have cheaper, easier to get, essentially unlimited, oil in the ground. It’s better for our engines, it’s better for the environment and it’s not burning our food supply.

There shouldn’t be one tablespoon of ethanol in our gasoline.

The degree of corruption between the government and vested interests passed outright criminal a long time ago. About the time our republic drew its last breath. Just SOP in the old Soviet Union, now here for our pleasure.

[Charles Martel]

On the plus side, the girls no longer can claim they couldn’t start the engine while I was at work.

Heh. I'm sure they were thrilled when you had them fitted for their mower harnesses. ;-)

BTW, you might be interested in the 24v rechargeable electric reel mowers that are on the market. The brand name is Brill, I believe. The motor spins the reel, so all the girls really need to is roll the mower around. There's no geared resistance as with the old-school design.

[biff]

All these problems you have experienced is exactly the reason the Indy car (which use 100% alky fuel) drain all fuel tanks, put a few gallons of racing gas in, start and flush complete fuel system before going back on the truck for the trip back to home base. The alky is not to be left in the system for even an overnight period.

Their fuel systems all have Teflon lined, stainless steel hose and hard line, designed for alky fuel. Is there a wonder why we have problems with our small engines and automobiles? Water, water, water.

[lacrew]

And who said ethanol burned cleaner?

Stanford did a study that came to the opposite conclusion, mentioned in the wikipedia article on ethanol:

“A study by atmospheric scientists at Stanford University found that E85 fuel would increase the risk of air pollution deaths relative to gasoline by 9% in Los Angeles, USA: a very large, urban, car-based metropolis that is a worst case scenario.[72] Ozone levels are significantly increased, thereby increasing photochemical smog and aggravating medical problems such as asthma.[73][74]”

[from occupied ga]

Oil industry loses legal battle against E15

It isn't the oil industry who lost, it's all of the citizens who own and operate motor vehicles.

[from occupied ga]

This sort of fuel system might work on a larger outboard motor as well (those usually have a weather-proof engine cover with enough room for the computer, plumbing and wiring).

Actually it won't, because the ethanol draws moidture out of the air and with time forms a layer of water/ethanol (which won't run the engine) on the bottom of the tank. I already pay a premium ($5.15/gal * 300gal for a fill-up) for non-ethanol gas at the fuel dock.

[jack1165]

I just spent the weekend cleaning the carb jets that were plugged from the ethanol. Boaters beware.

[VTenigma]

Looking down the road YOU DON’T BURN YOUR FOOD! Let alone the ecological component of using fossil fuels to create the fertilisers to grow the feed stock to produce ethanol.

[Mr. Lucky]

The only “nutrient” remove from corn by distillation is the starch. How much more corn starch do you think the average American should have in his diet?

[Charles Martel]

I’m well aware of the problems that ethanol-blended fuels present for marine engines; I was speaking mostly to the packaging problems of flex-fuel needs and EFI. In my opinion, marine engines need to be as simple as possible. Fuel injection might be more precise, but I’ll take a carb and ethanol-free gasoline any day.

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

The oil industry is not so much the loser as is the American consumer. This is an evil decision, ‘bought’ with Big Ag funds wanting to support the food for fuel agenda.

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

“Looking down the road YOU DON’T BURN YOUR FOOD!”

FDR and Henry Wallace did...they killed the baby pigs and poisoned mountains of potatoes with potassium permanganate...all for the same reason...to support Big Ag prices.

[Impy]

They better perfect the electric car before they ban gas cause ethanol is shi*.

[Myrddin]

Good move. The diesel should last a lifetime. My grass is often thick and wet. A Honda mower with a big exit chute was necessary to avoid having the chute jamming every 5 minutes. For that quality of mower, I had to cough up $800. Having it damaged by bad fuel would be a travesty.