[wideawake]

I think Putin does what is good for Russian

I think differently.

and obama does what is good for him and his lefty pals who keep calling Snowden a traitor

Snowden is, objectively, a traitor.

President Obama and his associates may have their own subjective reasons for thinking of him that way.

That doesn't make a person who rationally examines Snowden's actions a "lefty pal" of Barack Obama.

yea like spying on us all which you seem not to upset with

I'm not happy about it, nor have I been happy about it. But Snowden's information here is not particularly new or surprising - we are well acquainted with the practice of warrantless wiretaps, the TSA etc.

Everyone seems to overlook the fact that Snowden provided the government of China with independent verification that we have been spying on the government of China.

That is information that has nothing to do with US civil rights or the civil rights of anyone in the world.

It was a gift from Snowden to a dictatorship.

[manc]

then we disagree

[PieterCasparzen]

Everyone seems to overlook the fact that Snowden provided the government of China with independent verification that we have been spying on the government of China.

That is information that has nothing to do with US civil rights or the civil rights of anyone in the world.

It was a gift from Snowden to a dictatorship.

America gives a gift of hundreds of billions of profits in trade to China every year. In 2012 alone, according to census.gov, this amounted to a net trade balance worth approximately $315 billion dollars on the positive side for China.

Chinese are very active politically in the US, have operatives all throughout government and business.

China owns somewhere around trillion in US government debt.

The US-China relationship is not an "enemy" relationship.