I believe you’re only saying that about abortion because of the site rules. IOW, I think you’re lying. Also, is smoking or drinking at all while pregnant then child abuse?
I’m here to lay out my thoughts/ideas in a well-reasoned and articulate manner to (hopefully) further the topic of debate. I cannot make anyone read, understand nor change their minds that don’t wish to think. But, I am far from giving a rats ass to what anyone ELSE believes. Welcome to the internet.
And, I care about the forum rules as much as I care about 99% of the Unconstitutional ‘laws’ on the books....you either support Freedom or you don’t. If that means my getting kicked, so be it. I’ve posted enough I think would give me a ‘time-out’, if not banned, if someone got their panties in a wad. I don’t own the board, they are free to do as they wish for whatever reason.
As for your last question, I’ll have to defer to a “NO”:
1) Do we not already jail mothers (and I ‘ll use the term loosely in this instance) who birth drug-addicted, fetal alcohol syndrome, etc. children?
2) MOST things in moderation are not harmful. Drinking alone has been shown (again, this time?) to be a benefit, when limited to 1 glass/day. Science is NOT the end-all of knowledge.
3) What other criteria supersedes Freedom or Parental Rights? Over-weight (define THAT to begin)? Doesn’t exercise? Stops smoking, but picks it back up after birth (in home/car)? Past depression/Postpartum? Feeds dessert before dinner?
4) Already, one cannot discipline their own children w/out fear from Child Services (NAZI hold out as I’ve ever seen). THEY are ‘the State’ and what is brought to bear when the child is ‘at risk’. They should be called as often as SWAT is to give out speeding tickets.
I could prob. show for each ‘bad’ where a child grew up in the same w/out detriment. Hell, George Burns lived to be, what, 100+ and smoked cigars EVERY day? Tobacco industry still on the hook for his death?
No, until actual harm, gov’t PROTECTS Rights and takes a back seat otherwise.
Libertarians do play that game of pretending to be for banning any and all abortions.
They also play games about immigration.
Here is the full text (not the short summary) version of the libertarian position on immigration as an example of the libertarianism that FR lib promoters try to avoid.
COMPLETE PLATFORM TEXT
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL ORDER
IMMIGRATION:
“”THE ISSUE: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.
THE PRINCIPLE: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.
SOLUTIONS: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.
TRANSITIONAL ACTION: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.””