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To: rlmorel; ROCKLOBSTER; Jim Robinson
A good, thoughtful post.

On an emotional level, I like the idea of a genuinely conservative third party.

But on a practical level, I say no.  It has been tried before, and did not suceed.  I worked for a time with one of these "third" parties.

There is a more practical alternative.  That alternative is to take actual control of the Republican party away from the Gloalists who now run the party.

For many decades, the Repulican party has been in the hands of what I call Rockefeller republicans.  These are globalists who are only marginally better than the socialists who now control the Democratic party. 

The current Conservative tactic seems to be to nominate conservatives to office, and then vote for them.  This has been successful in a few cases, but as long as the Rockefeller wing controls the party aparatus, coseratives will get only lukewarm lip service support.  The last presidential candidate was a supporter of socialized medicine (at the state level) who speaks conservatism as a second language.

The strategy must be from the bottum up to succeed.  Attend party conventions en masse and elect county officials, including chairmen, boards, and delegates to the district convention, who are actual conservatives.  Follow this tactic up the chain, until conservatives control the RNC and can choose a conservative national chairman.

Not possible?  If conservatives are not strong enouth to take on the Republican apparatus and win, then we are not strong enough to take on both the Republican and Democrat machines and win.

It is possible.  If it is not done, then I see a bleak future for this country in general and for my grandchildren in particular.

503 posted on 06/30/2013 2:06:55 PM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: Celtman

I certainly understand your perspective.

The issue I see here is that the system is largely broken in many respects. The politicians have long since stopped using the Constitution as a guideline. Part of the electorate WANTS them to ignore it, and they (particularly “they” on the liberal side) pander to that segment.

There is no holding of anyone to account by either other elected personnel or the electorate itself, and so, we are rudderless.

I admired Ronald Reagan greatly, and there have been more than a few posters on this thread who say Ronald Reagan would be considered a RINO for his efforts at compromise.

I maintain that while Ronald Reagan did compromise on many things, there were some core values that he didn’t. Our problem as I see it today is that we are being asked to compromise on our core values.

There are many important aspects of liberalism now that I view as evil, and compromising on those is compromising with evil.

Liberals don’t see abortion as evil, but we do.

Liberals don’t see their attacks on the family as evil, but we do.

Liberals don’t see open and unalloyed advocacy of homosexuality as evil, but many of us do.

Liberals don’t see unimpeded and uncontrolled immigration as an evil, and we do.

Liberals don’t see their attempts to ban firearms as evil, but we do.

Liberals don’t see terrorists and their acts as evil, and we do.

Liberals don’t see redistribution of wealth and socialism as evil, but we do.

Liberals don’t see political correctness and restrictions on speech as evil, but we do.

Liberals don’t see the attempt to banish religion as evil, and we do.

And so on.

The point I am trying to make is, we are out of compromising room. Any compromise now on any of the above issues will be territory we will never recover, and those losses now, with so little reserve, will mean that compromising with evil is, at this point in our history, enabling evil. Liberals have our backs against the cliff, and they are fully intent on pushing us off.

We are viewed as an impediment to their utopia, the very President of these United States has said as much. This man and his Alinsky-toting acolytes, are fully in bed ideologically with people like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, and we know how those two view the fates of tens of millions of Americans who would “be in the way” were THEY holding the reins of power. They openly said that 20 million Americans (back in the early Seventies) would have to be eliminated before real progress forward could be achieved. They are no different than the people who carried out Mao’s Cultural Revolution.

It may be that we are broken and on a downward spiral towards a hell, a ultra-violent civil war, or worse. I wish to God that I don’t live to see that. But we might be. Given that, is there still time to turn it around?

Maybe.

But it won’t be done as we move ahead holding hands with liberals, because that is not what they have in mind.

What they have in mind is achieving an un-achievable utopia, and they are going to have to utterly destroy what is in place now to try to move towards it. That thing that is in place now (that is in their way) is the USA and its citizens who aren’t in lockstep with what they want to do. And make no mistake. To those people, the ends completely justifies the means.

As you said in your last sentence of your post...I see a bleak future.


507 posted on 06/30/2013 4:03:21 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: Celtman

By the way, I apologize if that last posting of mine was a downer. I wasn’t writing it towards that end, it just arrived there almost of its own volition.


510 posted on 06/30/2013 4:25:17 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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