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Why the Reagan Democrats Departed
Townhall.com ^ | July 2, 2013 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 07/02/2013 4:02:21 AM PDT by Bratch

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To: Bratch

IMO, they have left because the GOP signed onto intellectually pure free market theories which most of them do not espouse.

Free trade agreements, deregulation of banks and interest, loosening of various consumer protections, stagnation of wages and loss of benefits, etc. are not appealing to these folks. Even though they are 95% with us on social issues.

Eventually the pressures get so great they vote their pocketbooks, which they perceive as voting Dem. I think we could counter this by not giving the business lobby EVERYTHING they want at EVERY turn. Certainly this Open Borders stuff touches on that. Reinstating some sort of usury law on credit card lenders would be another.


21 posted on 07/02/2013 7:58:28 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Abby4116

Same here. There is an elite, ruling class, including in Washington. Established Republicans and Democrats vote for unrestricted free trade and open borders. (ala Rubio and Ryan) A recent report suggested that the average American will suffer a decline in the standard of living for the next 12 years. We are crucifying the American middle class on the crosses of free trade and political correctness.


22 posted on 07/02/2013 8:16:58 AM PDT by rcofdayton (.)
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To: Theodore R.
So they saw Clinton as a way to redeem themselves. But you are right, many have since departed.

Clinton was elected with 42.7% of the vote, so I don't know that he was their choice.

23 posted on 07/02/2013 8:22:47 AM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: ansel12

Most of these folks sympathized with Perot. Which is why he would have won had he not been....well, insane.


24 posted on 07/02/2013 8:39:33 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Perot was insane, as well as pro-abortion and anti-gun, he was really a disaster, but people fell for his huckster routine, people of conflicting persuasions were convinced that he reflected their own politics.


25 posted on 07/02/2013 8:45:01 AM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: SC_Pete

PB is generally lucid and on target, the rest of the jack-legged Repubs for Amnesty are not. I agree with the FReeper that said PB needs to apply this rational to the Dims also!


26 posted on 07/02/2013 9:34:35 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: ansel12

Perot did have a hit with the Giant Sucking NAFTA ‘free’ trade crap...I would guess old voodoo mushmouth NWO GHWBush had no answer for the Marxian job sucking to which Perot alluded. Even Clinton fell into step in order to buck up our commie neighbors!


27 posted on 07/02/2013 9:39:19 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: iopscusa

Perot did not give a poop about anything but himself. He was building an airport in texas along the international tex/mex border. With nafta his airport became worthless.

He was a glorified vote splitter who only was in it to attack GHWBush.


28 posted on 07/02/2013 9:41:29 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Bratch
Marco Rubio today leads Senate Republicans in doing the bidding of corporate America, which, in payback for its campaign contributions, wants amnesty for 12 million illegal aliens.

This is about cash in Ricky's pocket. He knows his political career has been toasted. To the extent that contributions can be converted into Ricky pocket cash, they might be a factor. I predict a very large house, multiple board memberships and a front man high corporate position in his future.

29 posted on 07/02/2013 9:49:26 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: Stentor; sickoflibs; All

” This is about cash in Ricky’s pocket. He knows his political career has been toasted. To the extent that contributions can be converted into Ricky pocket cash, they might be a factor. I predict a very large house, multiple board memberships and a front man high corporate position in his future. “

You nailed it. Rubio will be a multi-millionaire in no time flat. Forget politics. Same with Ryan.


30 posted on 07/02/2013 10:28:33 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The RINO/amnesty argument goes like this: 1) If we pander to Hispanics, we will save the GOP, at le)
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” Marco Rubio today leads Senate Republicans in doing the bidding of corporate America, which, in payback for its campaign contributions, wants amnesty for 12 million illegal aliens.

Agribusinesses need more peons. Restaurant chains want more waitresses, dishwashers, busboys. Construction companies want more ditch-diggers. Silicon Valley demands hundreds of thousands more H-1Bs — foreign graduate students who can be hired for half what an American engineer might need to support his family. “

He is right here, but doesn’t go far enough.

Here is the truth.

Big business

Agri-business

big banks

All want amnesty

Business wants cheap labor, and the social costs of several streams of welfare to be born by the middle class. A win-win for business. They make all the money, and we pay the trillion dollar tab.

Big banks will make huge money money lending to newly legal slobs, with no credit. 21%-28% APR,

You can’t make money lending to solid middle class borrowers with perfect credit, and 750 F.I.C.O scores.
You make all the money off the illiterate slobs, and their 10’s of millions of relatives who will be allowed to come here too!


31 posted on 07/02/2013 10:45:15 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The RINO/amnesty argument goes like this: 1) If we pander to Hispanics, we will save the GOP, at le)
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RE:”You can’t make money lending to solid middle class borrowers with perfect credit, and 750 F.I.C.O scores.
You make all the money off the illiterate slobs, and their 10’s of millions of relatives who will be allowed to come here too!”

Are payday loans legal in AZ?
If so then we should set up a bunch of payday loan stores around the state. They will be perfect customers for that scam, err that valuable service.

32 posted on 07/02/2013 11:14:15 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

Arizona outlawed pay day loans 2 years ago. However, they are legal in many states. How does a 600% annual ROI sound to you?
Loan sharking is alive and well in the USA!


33 posted on 07/02/2013 11:26:58 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The RINO/amnesty argument goes like this: 1) If we pander to Hispanics, we will save the GOP, at le)
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RE :”Arizona outlawed pay day loans 2 years ago. However, they are legal in many states. How does a 600% annual ROI sound to you? Loan sharking is alive and well in the USA!”

Perfect loan package for our immigrant new (to be)citizens. It will be like laying down cheese traps in a field of mice. Let them really grow the economy starting with ours.

You know my uncle looked into opening up his reverse mortage to borrow more and the bank told him the closing costs would be more than the loan. They outlawed payday loans here but not huge closing costs here.

34 posted on 07/02/2013 11:37:10 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

You know my uncle looked into opening up his reverse mortage to borrow more and the bank told him the closing costs would be more than the loan. “

Reverse mortgages should be a last resort. They can cost 10 points. BAD investment for most people.


35 posted on 07/02/2013 11:52:42 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The RINO/amnesty argument goes like this: 1) If we pander to Hispanics, we will save the GOP, at le)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
RE :”You know my uncle looked into opening up his reverse mortage to borrow more and the bank told him the closing costs would be more than the loan. “
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Reverse mortgages should be a last resort. They can cost 10 points. BAD investment for most people.

He got it in early 2008 before hell broke loose and it wasnt bad at all.
my grandmother got her’s around 1999 a really good deal for her.

Now the insurance in the closing costs is unreal. It destroyed it. It violates the payday excessive fee laws .
I need to look into this.

Really good idea ruined by the housing loan disaster.

36 posted on 07/02/2013 1:50:46 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Bratch
Could be. But I'm thinking it was a generational thing.

If your parents were Reagan Democrats, you're not going to keep the divided loyalties and dual identity. You either moved forward to become a regular Republican or fell back to become a regular Democrat.

Your parents might still after all these years be registering Democrat and voting Republican because of the social issues, but every election people who do that are getting fewer and fewer.

37 posted on 07/02/2013 1:59:37 PM PDT by x
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To: sickoflibs

Yeah, the loan disaster hurt the program to no end.
If you find anything out, please let me know.


38 posted on 07/02/2013 1:59:50 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The RINO/amnesty argument goes like this: 1) If we pander to Hispanics, we will save the GOP, at le)
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To: Bratch; tx_eggman; sickoflibs; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Perdogg; ...

The “Reagan democrats” became Republicans ages ago. The country is a lot less White than it was in Reagan’s day, that’s why the rats are winning. McCain would have won in 2008 with 1988 demographics. Romney would have easily won. On the plus side the South doesn’t split their tickets anymore so we have the House.

I can do without the anti-corporate rhetoric of Pat Buchanan, no economic conservative, constant pusher of the protectionist union agenda. And Jefferson, the great-great-grandfather of the democrat party and it’s class warfare.

Eggman, I take it you are referencing the film “Other People’s Money”, I love that speech by DeVito. It’s a small niche market but they actually still make buggy whips. ;d


39 posted on 07/03/2013 5:56:15 PM PDT by Impy (Bring back the spoils system.)
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