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To: Cboldt

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

IOW, if you started the fight, the “duty to retreat” pops back up.


91 posted on 07/02/2013 3:14:31 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
-- IOW, if you started the fight, the "duty to retreat" pops back up. --

I agree with that. The law penalizes aggression, and it penalizes escalation.

97 posted on 07/02/2013 3:22:22 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Sherman Logan
-- IOW, if you started the fight, the "duty to retreat" pops back up. --

I agree with that. The law penalizes aggression, and it penalizes escalation.

Adding some remarks - you said that Zimmerman would lose his right to self defense if he started the fight. You seem to be implying that he has a duty to retreat, since he (hypothetically, of course) started the fight. If he can't retreat because Martin has him physically restrained, the law is not going to hold him to discharge the duty to retreat. If you start a fight, and your opponent pins you, and your opponent then escalates by holding a knife to your throat, or smothering your with a plastic bag, etc., you are not held, by the law, to take "death" because you started a fist fight. You can't retreat. You can use deadly force in self defense if you are in fear for your life.

102 posted on 07/02/2013 3:27:40 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Sherman Logan
IOW, if you started the fight, the “duty to retreat” pops back up.

I guess the only way Zimmerman could prove that he was in danger of losing his life is, if he had actually lost it. I guess we really do need lawyers, else we could never understand that.

116 posted on 07/02/2013 4:09:14 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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