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Go Rogue or Go Home
Red State ^ | July 2, 2013 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 07/02/2013 5:57:12 PM PDT by Bratch

Much has been made about Sarah Palin’s comments on going third party. I just have one problem with the comments about Governor Palin’s remarks.

Though she was answering a question about going third party, I did not and still do not interpret her remarks as expressing an outright willingness to go third party. Governor Palin has long been a disruptive candidate and, as a disruptive candidate, has worked from inside the party to change its ways. When she says things like,

more and more of us are going to start saying, ‘You know, what’s wrong with being independent,’ kind of with that libertarian streak that much of us have. In other words, we want government to back off and not infringe upon our rights. I think there will be a lot of us who start saying ‘GOP, if you abandon us, we have nowhere else to go except to become more independent

I read it as more of an endorsement of free agency, so to speak, than a new third party. And I agree with this. It is what I and others have been doing for some time.

In short, conservatives upset with the Republican Party need to go rogue or go home. While LUR and I read Governor Palin’s comments differently, I agree completely with his solution – take over the GOP.

After all, my working theory right now is that the GOP is a dead man walking and whichever side of the fight possesses its body gets all the parts that come with the body, from state parties to the national apparatus.

So work to take it over and, concurrently, open your checkbook to outside conservative groups fighting on your side. Start funding the organizations that actually have a solid track record of finding, funding, and running disruptive challengers within the party. The four I recommend are:

The Senate Conservatives Fund, which looks like it may even be ballsy enough to fund a challenge to Mitch McConnell.

Heritage Action for America, which Republicans in Congress have taken to routinely blast for daring to hold them accountable and challenge them when they get squishy.

Club for Growth, which Republican Leaders in Congress routinely attack in the press, anonymously no less, for being uncompromisingly in favor of smaller government and small government candidates.

Madison Project, which is fearless in finding top notch grassroots candidates to challenge incumbent pukes.

Nationally, the GOP is pursuing a terrible piece of immigration legislation. Many of the Republicans who support it campaigned on securing our borders first. They lied to the conservative base to get their votes. A good number of the Republican leaders pursuing immigration are doing so because they listen to the moneyed interests that support it. They could care less about the base because the base doesn’t cough up money and has not shown a willingness or ability to fight a war of attrition within the party.

But there are others in the party who hold the conservative base in outright contempt. They want a new base and see immigration reform as the first step to replacing conservatives, particularly evangelicals. These people, instead of urging the GOP to take up populist measures that play well with the middle class and blue collar voters would prefer immigration reform, mitigation of climate change, and technocratic nonsense that plays well with rich white liberals and no one else. If conservatives do win, these Republicans will use their columns, blogs, and TV appearances to bad mouth the conservatives as simple minded hicks and rubes.

In Ohio, John Kasich has declared Jesus wants him to expand medicaid under Obamacare. In fact, State Treasurer Josh Mandel has been outspoken against Kasich’s plans to expand Obamacare inside Ohio and tax tracking. Kasich’s response has been to veto funds for Mandel’s office.

Kasich has repeatedly been telling people that one day we’ll all stand before our Maker who will ask us what we have done for the least of these. Kasich will say he expanded government. I do not know about the rest of you, but I talk to Jesus every night and he has never told me to expand government to help others.

Put bluntly: I could care less if the Democrats beat John Kasich in November. I could care less. If the GOP is going to expand Obamacare and taxes we might as well let the Democrats be in charge. And I think that’s the point Sarah Palin was getting at — the conservatives who are upset should stop behaving like they belong to a party that does not want them and instead go rogue. Primary John Kasich and if the conservative does not win, stay home (EDIT: metaphorically stay home. In reality, just don’t vote in the gubernatorial box or vote for someone else running for that office).

Yes, this is controversial, but consider the evidence:

“Oh,” you say, “those were bad candidates.”

Time and again when less conservative or moderate Republicans win, they expect the conservatives to hold the line. You know what? Conservatives do. But when the moderate to liberal Republicans lose, they run to the media, blame conservatives, and start supporting the other side.

It is time conservatives behave the same way. From the Dakotas to Ohio to Kentucky to Louisiana to other parts of then nation, conservatives should get involved, find really good candidates, and work like hell to win. And if they lose, consider free agency. Make the Republican who wins earn conservative trust instead of letting him presume he has their vote.

I don’t think Sarah Palin was flat out endorsing a third party and I don’t either. But I think she was, like me, suggesting conservatives stop being such cheap dates.

Follow LUR’s advice. Get involved at the local party level. Take over precincts, counties, and states. Find good candidates to challenge incumbent senators and congressmen. Stop taking for granted that the faces of the GOP really have your interests at heart and stop letting them take your vote for granted.

Again, I recommend you get behind four groups:

The Senate Conservatives Fund, which is hated by Jenn Rubin and the Republican leadership.

Heritage Action for America, which is hated by Jenn Rubin and the Republican leadership. Get a load of this.

Club for Growth, which is hated by Jenn Rubin and the Republican leadership.

Madison Project, which is rapidly becoming as scrappy as the other three.

At the RedState Gathering, I intend to introduce you all to some of these disruptive candidates who are going to challenge incumbent Republicans — even some in leadership — and also go up against some of the candidates the GOP is already telling you that you must support in order to win. Let’s go rogue, but from within not from without. And win or lose, make sure the GOP knows it cannot take you for granted.

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To: C. Edmund Wright
You will still have to bow before Obama Reid Pelosi - your pure vote does not make you exempt.

 Perhaps you like to grovel, but I bow to no man...nor will I be convinced that voting for the lesser of two evils is the right thing to do. When faced with that choice, I will shrug every time.

41 posted on 07/03/2013 6:19:23 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Tagline copyright in violation of Directive 10-289)
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To: jocon307

Now, for a group of Free Market types that we (supposedly) are, why are politics, namely, national parties, to only place where ‘fewer is better’?

Where a field of 5+ candidates can prattle off the same talking points, where is the DEBATE? Where is the NEW paradigm thinking? IE: For all his ideas of Constitutional governance, Dr. Paul was roundly criticized as ‘kook’, if not ignored wholly. Instead we ‘American Idol’ the best looking, best talking parrot of the group.

When 5 States can whittle the field down to 1 ‘viable’ candidate, how does that benefit the Country? How does that benefit the other Citizens; why even worry to vote until the General?

What’s the fix:
- Dismantle the (rigged) Fed election apparatus (what’s the 5% B.S.)
- All donations must be anonymous (some clearing house that can still track, audit every month from general to primary), no per-head-dinners/meet-n-greets/etc. - no idea who gave what = no favors [still fleshing out]
- Allow donations per any entity that can physically cast a vote; no business, no groups. Only People.
- Elections are on same day for all States (no more selection by the minority, no ‘reporting’ until DONE)
- States election wins by majority of districts (cites don’t win State, voting fraud..good luck)
- Maybe no open primaries, still a toss up for me....If, being a (L), what if I like the XYZ party this time?
- Voting/donation fraud = lose of voting ‘right’, prison and fine (100x paid to opposition party??)
- ???

42 posted on 07/03/2013 6:28:19 AM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives -
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To: peyton randolph

Grovel? You have no clue what a vote really is.

What you are too emotionally invested in is your hatred of the GOP e - and that childish tantrum mentality won’t let you admit that you WILL grovel, in effect, to the statist government. Sorry, reality sucks sometimes, but even more so for those who refuse to admit it.

We both despise the GOPe - the difference is, you let that dominate your thought process. I don’t. As bad as the GOP e is, even Kennedy did the right thing on Voting Rights and property rights last week, and even Boner is looking like he’ll do the right thing on immigration reform....and NONE of the GOP, the estabs or otherwise, voted for Obama Care. THOSE ARE HUGE HUGE FACTORS.

A vote is not about a grovel. I have no idea who planted that pathetic idea in your tiny little noggin. A vote is a practical option, and sometimes, both options suck. Voting rights, property rights, and Obama Care are crucial to you ever having freedom again. DIsmiss all that due to your infantile rant at your own peril.

43 posted on 07/03/2013 6:32:13 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
no clue...childish tantrum...tiny little noggin...infantile

I see a pattern of irrationality here. You can't successfully argue the merits of supporting GOPe socialists as the lesser of two evils.

Instead, you engage in personal attacks. Just waiting for Godwin's Law to kick in.

44 posted on 07/03/2013 6:45:28 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Tagline copyright in violation of Directive 10-289)
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To: Bratch
After all, my working theory right now is that the GOP is a dead man walking and whichever side of the fight possesses its body gets all the parts that come with the body, from state parties to the national apparatus.

Your working theory is akin to the Anglicans taking over the Roman Catholic Establishment in England, during and after H8. It's sure to be as bloody and to last as long!

I don't see any fat cats putting up the war chest. After all, the newly established Anglicans had some frightfully rich people who were rewarded with confiscated monastic property and were going to fight anyone, traditionalist or protestant, to hang on to it.

In our case, those already in the GOP establishment have the money, the jobs, and many good reasons to try and crush us so they can keep their place at the power table. It's why they're Republicans. The Republic be damned. They have sold out to the Democrats in exchange for safe seats and a big cut of the swag.

But OK, deal me in. I'll fight.

45 posted on 07/03/2013 7:57:32 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica." .)
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To: staytrue

That doesn’t mean we can sit on our fat, um, laurels.

The enemy is at the gate here in Utah, it’s inside the wall elsewhere. Go with God my friend. Stand up!

46 posted on 07/03/2013 5:29:15 PM PDT by glock rocks (Stand up!)
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