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To: ALPAPilot
Yosemitetest posted a link to the flight track log at FlightAware:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAR214/history/20130706/0730Z/RKSI/KSFO/tracklog

I thought you might find it interesting, especially this part:

02:22PM 37.4333 -122.0800 43° Northeast 248 285 5,900 -1,620 Descending FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4397 -122.0740 37° Northeast 249 287 5,700 -1,140 Descending FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4431 -122.0710 35° Northeast 249 287 5,700 -900 Level FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4471 -122.0690 22° Northeast 248 285 5,600 -900 Descending FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4513 -122.0680 11° North 247 284 5,600 -900 Level FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4549 -122.0670 12° North 246 283 5,500 -900 Descending FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4583 -122.0670 360° North 246 283 5,500 -900 Level FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4628 -122.0670 360° North 245 282 5,400 -1,500 Descending FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4675 -122.0680 350° North 244 281 5,300 -900 Descending FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4709 -122.0700 335° Northwest 243 280 5,300 -1,020 Level FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4741 -122.0720 334° Northwest 242 278 5,200 -900 Descending FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4774 -122.0740 334° Northwest 242 278 5,200 -1,020 Level FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4854 -122.0810 325° Northwest 243 280 5,000 -1,740 Descending FlightAware
02:23PM 37.4909 -122.0850 330° Northwest 243 280 4,800 -1,200 Descending FlightAware
02:23PM 37.4941 -122.0880 323° Northwest 244 281 4,800 -780 Level FlightAware
02:23PM 37.4973 -122.0920 315° West 243 280 4,700 -1,740 Descending FlightAware
02:23PM 37.4999 -122.0960 309° West 242 278 4,600 -900 Descending FlightAware
02:23PM 37.5026 -122.1010 304° West 240 276 4,600 -540 Level FlightAware
02:23PM 37.5066 -122.1100 299° West 237 273 4,500 -840 Descending FlightAware
02:23PM 37.5145 -122.1280 299° West 228 262 4,300 -540 Descending FlightAware
02:23PM 37.5192 -122.1390 298° West 221 254 4,300 -240 Level FlightAware
02:24PM 37.5266 -122.1570 297° West 212 244 4,200 -720 Descending FlightAware
02:24PM 37.5351 -122.1760 299° West 208 239 3,900 -960 Descending FlightAware
02:24PM 37.5414 -122.1910 298° West 204 235 3,700 -1,080 Descending FlightAware
02:24PM 37.5481 -122.2070 298° West 203 234 3,400 -1,200 Descending FlightAware
02:25PM 37.5548 -122.2230 298° West 195 224 3,100 -1,140 Descending FlightAware
02:25PM 37.5614 -122.2390 297° West 190 219 2,800 -1,500 Descending FlightAware
02:25PM 37.5669 -122.2520 298° West 187 215 2,400 -1,320 Descending FlightAware
02:25PM 37.5730 -122.2660 299° West 187 215 2,200 -1,080 Descending FlightAware
02:26PM 37.5785 -122.2790 298° West 186 214 1,900 -1,020 Descending FlightAware
02:26PM 37.5847 -122.2940 298° West 178 205 1,700 -1,020 Descending FlightAware
02:26PM 37.5900 -122.3070 297° West 169 194 1,400 -1,380 Descending FlightAware
02:27PM 37.5988 -122.3270 299° West 145 167 800 -1,380 Descending FlightAware
02:27PM 37.6016 -122.3340 297° West 141 162 600 -1,320 Descending FlightAware
02:27PM 37.6045 -122.3410 298° West 134 154 400 -900 Descending FlightAware
02:27PM 37.6073 -122.3480 297° West 123 142 300 -840 Descending FlightAware
02:27PM 37.6103 -122.3550 298° West 109 125 100 -120 Descending FlightAware
02:28PM 37.6170 -122.3740 294° West 85 98 200 120 Climbing FlightAware
Does that look like a stabilized descent to you?
96 posted on 07/07/2013 10:12:18 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: justlurking

No, it looks ugly. 1300 fpm rate of descent is very scary. It really is almost twice what is required. A good rule of thumb is half of the ground speed. By that I mean 140 Knots over the ground gives about 700 fpm descent rate on the normal 3 degree glide path. 140 knots is pretty close to the approach speed for the 777’s at UAL (a little slower for flaps 30, a little more for flaps 25).

109 Knots at 100 feet (if I’m reading the numbers correctly) is very, very scary. Even if they would have cleared the sea wall, that is definitely tail strike speed. I don’t know if it was a 777-300, since the are slightly longer, they have a tail skid just in case.

That looks to me like a profile where the engines did not spool up. British Airways had a similar incident happen at Heathrow. They had ice crystals in the fuel lines that prevented spool up on their Rolls Royce engine on short final.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38


108 posted on 07/07/2013 10:54:49 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: justlurking
No, it doesn't.
But I've linked to it before.
161 posted on 07/09/2013 4:37:20 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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