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Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leave their rooms?
BBC ^ | July 4, 2013 | William Kremer and Claudia Hammond

Posted on 07/08/2013 9:57:47 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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In Japan, hikikomori, a term that's also used to describe the young people who withdraw, is a word that everyone knows.

Tamaki Saito was a newly qualified psychiatrist when, in the early 1990s, he was struck by the number of parents who sought his help with children who had quit school and hidden themselves away for months and sometimes years at a time. These young people were often from middle-class families, they were almost always male, and the average age for their withdrawal was 15.

It might sound like straightforward teenage laziness. Why not stay in your room while your parents wait on you? But Saito says sufferers are paralysed by profound social fears.

"They are tormented in the mind," he says. "They want to go out in the world, they want to make friends or lovers, but they can't."

Symptoms vary between patients. For some, violent outbursts alternate with infantile behaviour such as pawing at the mother's body. Other patients might be obsessive, paranoid and depressed.

When Saito began his research, social withdrawal was not unknown, but it was treated by doctors as a symptom of other underlying problems rather than a pattern of behaviour requiring special treatment.

Since he drew attention to the phenomenon, it is thought the numbers of hikikomori have increased. A conservative estimate of the number of people now affected is 200,000, but a 2010 survey for the Japanese Cabinet Office came back with a much higher figure - 700,000. Since sufferers are by definition hidden away, Saito himself places the figure higher still, at around one million.

The average age of hikikomori also seems to have risen over the last two decades. Before it was 21 - now it is 32.

So why do they withdraw?

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Japan
KEYWORDS: hikikomori; japan
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Why would parents tolerate adult children who make doing nothing a way of life?
1 posted on 07/08/2013 9:57:47 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1
I bet these little suckers will come out of their rooms if dinner was left on the table and the cable / internet / phone lines turned off.

Parents should not be enablers.

2 posted on 07/08/2013 10:01:29 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: reaganaut1

Bushido’s fault...................


3 posted on 07/08/2013 10:03:28 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: reaganaut1

“...parents who sought his help with children who had quit school and hidden themselves away for months and sometimes years at a time.”

Wonder if these kids were brought up to know their Lord and Savior Jesus? I could see being depressed and withdrawn otherwise.


4 posted on 07/08/2013 10:04:16 AM PDT by Made In The USA (I'm not yelling, just... just talking enthusiastically..)
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To: reaganaut1

There’s a prace where I can go
And tell my secrets to,
In my room, in my room


5 posted on 07/08/2013 10:06:39 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: reaganaut1

It is a “disease” in this country as well. The age-old concept of “making life easier for your children or (not making your children have to go through what you had to)” has had deleterious effects. Can we expect those same children to turn it around for their kids? Hardly.


6 posted on 07/08/2013 10:07:56 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: reaganaut1

I see many American kids doing approximately the same.

They are enthralled by media and video games of all kinds, have no demands from life, little ambition, and prefer the solitude of their bedrooms

I don’t think the reasons are any different, except that in Japan, the outside social pressure is much greater, leading to more antipathy to life outside.


7 posted on 07/08/2013 10:08:10 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: reaganaut1
Modern society does not need these young men.

They are reminded of this whenever they leave their rooms.

If they didn't have rooms to stay in they'd be committing suicide instead.

8 posted on 07/08/2013 10:08:19 AM PDT by Prolixus (Summum ius summa inuria.)
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To: reaganaut1
Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leave their rooms?

Why did the first thing that crossed my mind was the abundance of Japanese porn? ;-)

9 posted on 07/08/2013 10:08:49 AM PDT by apillar
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To: tumblindice

Lol.


10 posted on 07/08/2013 10:10:17 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: reaganaut1
The average age of hikikomori also seems to have risen over the last two decades. Before it was 21 - now it is 32. So why do they withdraw?

Personal interaction has no longer been necessary with the advent of "virtual" living. iPhones, the internet, and video games have become subtle tools of slavery and permanent delusion.

11 posted on 07/08/2013 10:12:07 AM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: reaganaut1
Why would parents tolerate adult children who make doing nothing a way of life?

You see it all over.

The best thing is to show them the door and tell them they're welcome for Thanksgiving dinner.

12 posted on 07/08/2013 10:13:34 AM PDT by marron
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To: reaganaut1
It's not always men, and it's not always the bedroom:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23724200/ns/health-mental_health/t/boyfriend-woman-stuck-toilet-charged/#.UdrzMedDtUw

A man whose girlfriend authorities say spent nearly two years in a bathroom in their house, sitting on the toilet so long that the seat adhered to her body, has been charged with mistreatment of a dependent adult.

Kory McFarren, 37, was charged Monday in Ness County District Court.

McFarren called the Ness County Sheriff’s Office in late February to say something was wrong with his girlfriend. When authorities arrived at the home, they found Pam Babcock, 35, stuck to the toilet, which they think she had sat on for about a month.

McFarren told authorities that Babcock feared leaving the bathroom and may not have left it in two years, although he said he was unsure how long she was in there. He said that he took her food and water daily, and that he repeatedly asked her to come out but that she usually replied “maybe tomorrow.”


13 posted on 07/08/2013 10:14:43 AM PDT by jdege
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To: Prolixus

“If they didn’t have rooms to stay in they’d be committing suicide instead.”

Key point - they don’t start in the rooms. This is no different than treating anyone for their psychological troubles.

The real question is why haven’t they been put in treatment long ago?


14 posted on 07/08/2013 10:17:17 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: reaganaut1
Tamaki Saito was a newly qualified psychiatrist when, in the early 1990s, he was struck by the number of parents who sought his help with children who had quit school and hidden themselves away for months and sometimes years at a time. These young people were often from middle-class families, they were almost always male, and the average age for their withdrawal was 15.

It might sound like straightforward teenage laziness. Why not stay in your room while your parents wait on you? But Saito says sufferers are paralysed by profound social fears. "They are tormented in the mind," he says. "They want to go out in the world, they want to make friends or lovers, but they can't."

Interesting.

15 posted on 07/08/2013 10:18:13 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: reaganaut1

I guess changing the locks doesn’t help in this case.


16 posted on 07/08/2013 10:22:09 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Not Guilty by reason of sanity.)
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To: tumblindice

Dang. You beat me to it and I didn’t even think anyone else would think of it


17 posted on 07/08/2013 10:26:12 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (I'm so conservative I won't even wear progressive bifocals.)
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To: Red Badger

Very clever, and funny!


18 posted on 07/08/2013 10:32:18 AM PDT by PTBAA
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To: Alex Murphy

The article mentions “Welcome to the NHK!”, a novel/manga/anime that centers on a hikikomori - I’ve seen the anime, and it’s very good actually. It explains the phenomenon in a humorous fashion.


19 posted on 07/08/2013 10:32:45 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: reaganaut1

Um . . . hentai?


20 posted on 07/08/2013 10:33:23 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Red Badger

+1.


21 posted on 07/08/2013 10:34:46 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: tumblindice

In my own little corner
In my own little room
I can be whoever I want to be


22 posted on 07/08/2013 10:35:31 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Harriet Meiers is looking pretty good right about now.)
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To: reaganaut1

23 posted on 07/08/2013 10:35:40 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Prolixus
Modern society does not need these young men. They are reminded of this whenever they leave their rooms. If they didn't have rooms to stay in they'd be committing suicide instead.

High numbers of white middle class men are killing themselves in our country.

Seems liberal political elites are creating a culture that has room for a few at the top (them) and a large servant class (illegals) to 'feed' them. In short they're creating a typical third world hellhole.

The good news is it's not going to end well for them..

24 posted on 07/08/2013 10:37:53 AM PDT by GOPJ (In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is a dangerous extremist.. Greenfield)
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To: reaganaut1

I am guessing that it is partly due to the demanding expectations of excellence in Japanese society, especially for young people. Failure is dishonor, and maybe these kids are scared to death of failure. That, and they see the obsessed life successful Japanese men have to lead. Just a guess.


25 posted on 07/08/2013 10:39:43 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be what you might have been.)
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To: grobdriver

Parents should not be enablers.

Correct. That’s the role of politicians.


26 posted on 07/08/2013 10:40:20 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: Prolixus
Modern society does not need these young men.

Bingo. A lot of men here in the USA are feeling the same way. But fewer of them live in a culture that will tolerate them vanishing permanently into their rooms. Then again, as another poster noted, suicide rates are way up.

27 posted on 07/08/2013 10:43:07 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: reaganaut1
Excellent novel:


28 posted on 07/08/2013 10:43:24 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: JCBreckenridge

It’s a question of face. Which is a cultural thing, and is far more important in Far Eastern culture than in Western culture. . .


29 posted on 07/08/2013 10:43:36 AM PDT by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: reaganaut1

Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys went through something like that for years. I suspect it has to do with 1) not enough available and admirable adult role models and a not very positive view of adult life, 2) feelings of inadequacy and the idea that the expectations of the adult world are too difficult for one to satisfy, and 3) some alternate fantasy world that one can live in.


30 posted on 07/08/2013 10:44:24 AM PDT by x
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To: tumblindice
In My Room
31 posted on 07/08/2013 10:46:49 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: All

seems like agoraphobia.


32 posted on 07/08/2013 10:51:01 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: reaganaut1
Why do they withdraw? Do they have computers? Online computer games? Parents who allow them to do nothing but hang in their rooms?

Do they really want an answer?

33 posted on 07/08/2013 10:51:26 AM PDT by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

sucess belongs to the parents.

failures belong to the child.

treatment is failure and their life would be over.


34 posted on 07/08/2013 10:53:29 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: reaganaut1

Screen and wireless culture is a huge factor. Who needs to get out and struggle in the real world outside, when hi-def screens, games, smartphones and social media are so much easier and more fun?

Meeting real girls and developing flesh and blood relationships is difficult and fraught with emotional peril.

Who needs that, when you can face a giant high-def screen and live in the virtual reality of your choice? Starting with plenty of “willing” and gorgeous fantasy girls.

What is the motivation to go outside, when inside is so fun and easy?

This is a big factor in “Alas, Brave New Babylon,” the 11K word short story I should have finished months ago.


35 posted on 07/08/2013 10:53:49 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Red Badger

LOL, now that’s clever


36 posted on 07/08/2013 10:56:40 AM PDT by Lockbar (The guy that fires the last bullet gets to write the history books,)
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To: Sender; reaganaut1
The article does not touch on it, but there is a growing trend for women in Japan to marry late, or not at all, or even to prefer informal partnering with other women to marriage with a man. The tradition of community matchmaking is on the way out and many young men are unable to find mates.

Combined with the social and employment disincentives the article mentions, and the traditional acceptance of dependance in Japanese housholds these men have a powerful incentive to tune out and live in their rooms surfing porn.

37 posted on 07/08/2013 10:58:36 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: Red Badger

Bushusuru’s fault!


38 posted on 07/08/2013 11:00:52 AM PDT by SRT8 man (I recommend SRT8 for your muscle car needs)
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To: Travis McGee; reaganaut1
www.dannychoo.com

That site kind of sums up the culture you describe in a nutshell. Mr. Choo's world is a seamless blend of fantasy and reality, a blinding hi-def swirl of cute and sex and monsters wrapped up in slick marketing, signifying nothing and everything at the same time. He is quite successful in his virtual playland. Most Japanese men trying to live the dream are not so lucky.

39 posted on 07/08/2013 11:14:24 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: reaganaut1
I think they all came out of their rooms and went to the Grand canyon last Wednesday. They were as thick as gnats there.
40 posted on 07/08/2013 11:30:14 AM PDT by BO Stinkss ( I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees)
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To: reaganaut1

I imagine a lot young men think their lives are hell when, in fact, the real problem is their lives are too easy.
How common was it hundreds of years ago for so many males in the prime of life to be able to hide in their bedrooms with no fear that they would starve to death?
Only for the very wealthy and probably not even then.

These men are convinced they are useless.
Why?
A man needs 3 things to be happy:

1. Something to do.
2. Someone to love.
3. Something to look forward to.

These are the things that make a man feel useful.

I’m guessing a lot of young men are missing all three.

The best solution for most?
A boot up the ass.
Nothing cures depression like being forced to survive.


41 posted on 07/08/2013 11:51:54 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Red Badger

Heh, heh, heh...


42 posted on 07/08/2013 12:00:58 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Prolixus

>>>>Modern society does not need these young men.
They are reminded of this whenever they leave their rooms.

If they didn’t have rooms to stay in they’d be committing suicide instead.<<<

Or committing violent crime, but the expression of the despair depends on culture.


43 posted on 07/08/2013 12:10:19 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: reaganaut1

A real relationship with Jesus, is of course the real answer for these (and all) people!


44 posted on 07/08/2013 12:18:53 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: Red Badger

like


45 posted on 07/08/2013 12:56:24 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: servo1969
A man needs 3 things to be happy:
1. Something to do.
2. Someone to love.
3. Something to look forward to.


This is a pretty good summary. And modern technology has given these shut-ins all three.
Video games (in asia story based ones are very common, anime, porn. All these give outlets to get semi-gratification in your three areas. You have characters to 'level' which covers 1 and 3. You have new episodes and shows to watch which covers more 1 and 3. Those shows and games have characters which are lovable. Many shows in Japan cater to the fandom of men who are not getting unconditional acceptance. There are an abundance of females portrayed in anime and 'dating games' that are specifically designed to appeal to that demographic.

In this country we don't give people with this psychological tenancy as many ways to cater to it.

The boot in the ass is more likely.
46 posted on 07/08/2013 1:19:48 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Lockbar; Lurker; SRT8 man; DuncanWaring; TangoLimaSierra

;^)............


47 posted on 07/08/2013 1:20:18 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: servo1969
1. Something to do.
2. Someone to love.
3. Something to look forward to.

These are the things that make a man feel useful.

Well, let's see. The banks killed #1, the feminists killed #2, and Obama killed #3.

Anyone for an anime marathon in my bedroom? :)

48 posted on 07/08/2013 1:26:20 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: KC_Lion; x
Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys went through something like that for years. I suspect it has to do with 1) not enough available and admirable adult role models and a not very positive view of adult life, 2) feelings of inadequacy and the idea that the expectations of the adult world are too difficult for one to satisfy, and 3) some alternate fantasy world that one can live in.

KC . . . do you have any idea in the world what this poster is trying to say?


49 posted on 07/08/2013 2:30:28 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

50 posted on 07/08/2013 2:34:25 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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