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To: onyx; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Jim Robinson; Perdogg; Syncro; Borax Queen
Sorry, I've been gone for a bit. I'm looking at the articles, and still seeing mostly pure opinion of various people about what's going on. I'm still thinking this is going our way, and these are just dumb opinions from those who want to bloviate, those who want to discourage us, and those Marxist journolists that want to make it so. Here is my take copied from an earlier post:

One of two things is going on. The first one would be a betrayal, it's what we fear, the passing of a bill that would be the Trojan Horse to go to conference with the Senate bill.

The second: He IS killing the bill, while defusing the media/democrat demagoguery by making it look like he's giving it a chance. The reason I'm thinking this is his likely method: He won't allow ANY vote on something the majority of the House GOP wants to bring up, otherwise known as the Hastert rule. I'm not trusting enough to believe we've won, I just think it's leaning our way as long as we keep the pressure on. I hope this is true, see some evidence of it being true, just don't trust it yet.....

I've posted that before, and still believe it. The pressure is important, more important than the faction of the GOP that wants amnesty, the group that will betray us if we give up. Those on the threads who have given up aren't calling, they're just hoping to get angry at some self fulfilling prophecy.

Bottom line: It's not time to give up yet. Perdogg has an excellent point abut the time line, read what he is saying. My point is if he wants to kill it, he's going to kill it in the most advantageous way possible, make it look like they're doing something, while watching it die. It's how he'll keep the dogs of the media lying down.

Once again, don't give up. Call, fax, email. It's our only way to win.

85 posted on 07/14/2013 8:42:27 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I steal taglines - KILL THE BILL!)
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To: Lakeshark; onyx; stephenjohnbanker; Jim Robinson; Perdogg; Syncro; Borax Queen; DoughtyOne
Thanks lakeshark for the thoughtful post.

The pressure is important, more important than the faction of the GOP that wants amnesty, the group that will betray us if we give up.

I agree. However, although I believe there is "faction of the GOP that wants amnesty," as you wrote, there are some House members in the GOP (and perhaps even among the Dems) who seem confused, inconsistent, etc. on this issue. Those people may be our best hope of stopping this, or at least keeping a house immigration bill as different from the senate bill as possible. I would urge everyone whose representative is in the above category to keep making regular contact.

How can these people betray their own constituents? I think we have to look at this from a congressman's point of view. They work with their congressional colleagues day in, day out, and not just for a single 2 year term. Their in-person contacts with us, the people, are limited by security concerns, distance, schedules, etc. Among their House colleagues are some very pro-amnesty individuals, who can be friendly, charming, etc.

I tweeted to my congressman, who has consistently opposed Obama and his agenda in the past, but who I believe may be on the fence, (It's hard to know), "Who sups with the Devil needs a long spoon."

John Boehner may also be on the fence, and for that reason it's important to keep reminding him what we demand.

86 posted on 07/14/2013 11:43:25 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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