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Heathrow fire: Ethiopia Dreamliner fleet to stay flying
BBC ^ | 13 July 2013 Last updated at 08:53 ET

Posted on 07/13/2013 8:58:17 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Heathrow airport

Smoke was detected from the aircraft after it had been parked at Heathrow for more than eight hours

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Ethiopian Airlines says it is to continue operating its fleet of Boeing 787 Dreamliners after one caught fire at London's Heathrow airport on Friday.

Investigators are trying to find the cause of the blaze, which took place months after the aircraft was grounded worldwide over a battery problem.

Heathrow's runways were closed for 90 minutes on Friday, and some evening flights delayed by more than six hours.

Ethiopian Airlines took delivery of four Dreamliners in 2012.

The company said its plane had been parked at Heathrow for eight hours before smoke was spotted.

"We have not grounded any of our aircraft," the carrier said in a statement.

"The incident at Heathrow happened while the plane was on the ground... and was not related to flight safety."

The Dreamliner has been moved to a special hangar away from the terminals to allow the investigation to take place.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 787; aerospace; aviation; boeing; dreamliner

1 posted on 07/13/2013 8:58:17 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Airbus temp employee smoking in the lavatory?


2 posted on 07/13/2013 9:03:02 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Boeing had better get this aircraft sorted out...soon.And completely.Otherwise one of the only US companies left that commands respect and makes money could be in *very* serious trouble.
3 posted on 07/13/2013 9:03:15 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Careful investigations take some time....and it is a very new aircraft.


4 posted on 07/13/2013 9:05:49 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Gay State Conservative
Airworthiness Directive, AD, for 747–100, 747–100B, 747–100B SUD, 747–200B, 747–200F, 747–300, 747–400, 747– 400D, 747–400F, 747SR, and 747SP series airplanes; Model 767–200, –300, –300F, and –400ER series airplanes; and Model 777–200, –200LR, –300, and –300ER series airplanes dated 9 July 2013.

When is Boeing going to get these aircraft sorted out?

5 posted on 07/13/2013 9:11:37 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I rarely fly but I would not book on a 787.


6 posted on 07/13/2013 9:12:41 AM PDT by citizen (We get the government we choose. America either voted for Obama or handed it to him by not voting.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

They probably quickly realized some ground crew employee was cooking goat in the back and the cooking fire got away from him, and it was likely that wasn’t Boeing’s fault.

Take away lesson? Issue instructions to the rest of their employees to be more careful with their cooking fires and the rest of the fleet should just be fine to continue flying.


7 posted on 07/13/2013 9:22:23 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: BwanaNdege

More likely a International Association of Machinists & Aerospace Workers sapper...


8 posted on 07/13/2013 9:33:41 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: catnipman

Old airline commercial with first class and steerage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yulxnzAsWEM


9 posted on 07/13/2013 9:33:59 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: catnipman
Would you like the fish or the chicken?


10 posted on 07/13/2013 9:38:01 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Did’nt they proclaim the new batteries were more environmentally friendly? I get that better mileage is good for the customer and the environment, but I know there are many “green” things that are put into service before they are ready for prime time - hope this is not one of them!

Just my .02.


11 posted on 07/13/2013 9:48:29 AM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
My next door neighbor is an engineer who works for the FAA. He worked for Boeing to begin with and there is nothing that gives him more joy than making them jump through hoops. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have some role in the AD you have cited. Of course it affects urethane foam that has become less fire retardant over time and has nothing to do with the 787.

We own a small airplane as well and often ADs are almost completely nonsensical. The manufacturers used to fight the stupid ones, but not these days. We had one issued a year or so ago because they found that two planes in the 1970s had some lock washers or something installed “backwards” during manufacture. Forgive my ignorance on the details. There were no incidents resulting from the “problem”. The FAA ordered nearly every other airplane from that manufacturer over a 20 year period disassembled and inspected.

Never mind that pulling apart assemblies that have been working fine for over 40 years was difficult, expensive and resulted in the destruction of equipment that were presented only a theoretical safety problem... something akin to preventing global warming. The aviation community has gotten quite used to government over regulation mostly by bureaucrats that appear to be working mostly to preserve their own job security.

The effect has been to stimey true progress on general aviation airplanes for decades. The 40 year old engine in our airplane is almost identical to the engines put in airplanes today, and it was 30 year old technology when it was manufactured. The only bright spot is "experimental aircraft" where tinkerers are still allowed to fly their own creations, but even good ideas from that area are generally not allowed to make there way into general use.

12 posted on 07/13/2013 10:00:05 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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13 posted on 07/13/2013 10:17:05 AM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

Ah yes, I had the lasagna...


14 posted on 07/13/2013 10:31:22 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: fireman15
has nothing to do with the 787.

I'm well aware of that.

15 posted on 07/13/2013 10:40:33 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Someone got caught roasting a goat.


16 posted on 07/13/2013 10:59:23 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: null and void
LOL


17 posted on 07/13/2013 11:42:05 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I once got onto a C-47 in Korea that was flying to one of the outer islands and there were goats and other critters on it, as well as kimchi.


18 posted on 07/13/2013 12:35:39 PM PDT by batterycommander (a little more rubble, a lot less trouble)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
And where's the compendium of reports on Airbus products? Perhaps you'd start with the A380,a nice aircraft to be sure (I've flown it once,Dubai->JFK non-stop) but one that after about 2 years in service is already showing cracks in the airframe.And then there's the near catastrophe caused by an A380 engine *exploding* somewhere over Indonesia.

If,by chance,you work for Airbus just let us know and we'll understand your concentration on Boeing.

19 posted on 07/13/2013 1:17:57 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Aren’t battery fires on parked 787s a known problem?


20 posted on 07/13/2013 2:45:54 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I have not read the article in its entirety but heard the problem was overheated wiring related to an air conditioning unit.


21 posted on 07/13/2013 2:49:38 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The top of the fuselage and front of the empennage are seriously burned. Is the entire airframe a loss? I wonder what might be salvageable.


22 posted on 07/13/2013 3:31:13 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: steve86

Thanks m,,,that is more detail than I had heard.


23 posted on 07/13/2013 5:49:31 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: fireman15
FAA is full of Barnacles....

Well airplanes used to be called airships.

24 posted on 07/13/2013 5:57:31 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I toured the Boeing factory a few weeks ago for the second time. Truly fascinating to me. I think I understood the tour guide to say that there is a 13-year waiting list for their jets.


25 posted on 07/13/2013 6:12:25 PM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Nice to see Boeing working with the airlines to reintroduce smoking flights.


26 posted on 07/13/2013 7:34:24 PM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Thank you for all of your informative posts. I look forward to learning from them whenever you take the time to share. I didn’t mean to imply that you thought the AD you mentioned applied to the 787.


27 posted on 07/13/2013 10:50:39 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Try and sit up higher in your chair so the point doesn't sail so far over your grape.

If you're as smart as you think you are; the rest of us know better, you'd have no trouble finding the ADs for Airbus aircraft which are all in the public domain.

28 posted on 07/14/2013 9:30:17 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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Britain's AAIB said on Saturday there was extensive heat damage in the upper portion of the rear fuselage. The damage was far from the batteries and "there is no direct evidence of a direct causal relationship", it said.
29 posted on 07/14/2013 9:32:14 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
..you'd have no trouble finding the ADs for Airbus aircraft which are all in the public domain.

But given that you've essentially declared that you wouldn't let you pet ferret fly on *any* Boeing aircraft I figured that you'd display some "balance" by pointing out the imperfections of various Airbus products.

Hey,if you work for Airbus just tell us.It's not illegal to work for them.

30 posted on 07/14/2013 10:06:19 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Different explanation now.

Ultralife Corp (ULBI.O) makes the lithium-manganese battery that powers the emergency transmitter that is being investigated as a possible cause of last week's fire on a Boeing 787 in London, a source familiar with the investigation said on Monday.

As reported earlier, the emergency locator transmitter, or ELT, is made by Honeywell International Inc (HON.N). ...

Honeywell says it has produced over 3,000 of the emergency beacons, equipped with the lithium-manganese batteries, since 2005, and there have been no safety incidents.


31 posted on 07/15/2013 8:20:16 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: steve86

A battery again....but looks like a problem would have shown up before this....must me some unique condition.


32 posted on 07/15/2013 9:32:06 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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