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Japan Ready to Declare: We’ll Go First
Time ^ | July 09, 2013 | Kirk Spitzer

Posted on 07/14/2013 6:59:40 PM PDT by JerseyanExile

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Japan Maritime Self Defense Force sailors during a recent ceremony at sea.

Japan has no intention to go it alone in defending its territory or national interests from growing threats in the Asia-Pacific region. But an annual defense review released Tuesday and other recent developments signal an increasing willingness on the part of Japan to go it alone, first.

Japan plans to establish a new National Security Council that would streamline how and when Tokyo would use military force, appoint a senior officer to command troops from all three armed services, and formally designate a Marine Corps-like force to defend its vulnerable southwest islands.

The United States remains Japan’s essential security partner, and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has vowed to strengthen the U.S.-Japan defense alliance. But the new plans would allow Japan to respond to threats against its own territory without turning first to its long-time protector.

The annual Defense White Paper issued by the Ministry of Defense concludes that Japan faces “increasingly tangible, acute and serious” threats from its neighbors – meaning, China mostly — and must improve its ability to respond militarily, should that be necessary.

“The reality of the current international community suggests that it is not necessarily possible to prevent invasions from the outside by only nonmilitary means such as diplomatic efforts, and in the event that the nation were to be invaded it would not be able to remove such a threat…. For this reason, Japan is striving to develop proper defense capabilities to protect the lives and assets of the public and to defend the territorial land, sea and airspace of Japan,” the report says.

(Excerpt) Read more at nation.time.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; japanesemilitary; jsdf
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1 posted on 07/14/2013 6:59:40 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile

They will fight for legal kiddie porn and Hello Kitty sex toys for the pretten sex idols.

How noble a cause!


2 posted on 07/14/2013 7:01:40 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: JerseyanExile

I’ll be impressed when they increase their military budget. The current 1% of GDP number is half the Chinese %.


3 posted on 07/14/2013 7:03:08 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: JerseyanExile

We should give all our non nuclear carries to Japan to overhaul and operate.


4 posted on 07/14/2013 7:04:52 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: JerseyanExile

5 posted on 07/14/2013 7:05:15 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: JerseyanExile

At this point I’m just fine with them building a couple carriers (can license build the RN’s QE class, like they did with their early dreadnought battleships).


6 posted on 07/14/2013 7:06:27 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: GeronL

Wtf are you talking about?


7 posted on 07/14/2013 7:08:17 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: JerseyanExile

It is obvious that the Japanese can no longer depend on the US. This is more of Obama leading from behind.


8 posted on 07/14/2013 7:10:15 PM PDT by kabar
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To: central_va
We should give all our non nuclear carries to Japan to overhaul and operate.

I think right now the only US carrier that's held as a reserve asset is the Kitty Hawk. Maybe Constellation, but I recall reading that she'd been struck. All the others have been struck, with all of them except Kennedy (held for museum donation) and possibly Ranger (also held for museum donation - but I'd read that the SEALS removed her screws using plastic explosives as part of a training exercise some years ago) and Independence (retired in good condition, apparently) in pretty advanced states of decay. One (America) has been sink-exed.

The US runs its carriers into the ground. I mean, we get good life and great value out of them, but the costs of operating them after ~50 years of service is exorbitant. In addition to how the conventionals were late 1940s/1950s designs without a lot of consideration given to manpower requirements (like is happening with the Ford class).

Building new would give the Japanese fresh ships with 50 year lifespans built to more economical manning standards. Going with the QE class would limit the need for them to reinvent the wheel with an indigenous design.
9 posted on 07/14/2013 7:13:45 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: JerseyanExile
I haven't forgiven the Nippers for their atrocities against our troops (and their entire region) seven decades ago. Phock 'em all, and the ghosts of their "honorable ancestors".

A nation of butchers.

10 posted on 07/14/2013 7:15:25 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Piffle....)
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To: GeronL

Are you drunk typing?


11 posted on 07/14/2013 7:16:31 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

half-blind


12 posted on 07/14/2013 7:18:42 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: tanknetter

Japan builds Aegis destroyers based on US blueprints. They’re not ABS standard, but are essentially the same as US Navy ships.


13 posted on 07/14/2013 7:20:12 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: JerseyanExile

The subtext of this article is the increasing unreliability of the United States as an ally, and the complete all-fronts disaster that is US foreign policy under Obama.


14 posted on 07/14/2013 7:21:10 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: GeronL

They will fight for legal kiddie porn and Hello Kitty sex toys for the pretten sex idols.

How noble a cause!


You drinking Saki?


15 posted on 07/14/2013 7:22:34 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: tanknetter

Japan has already laid down one carrier with a displacement of almost 30,000 tons, with plans for another two.


16 posted on 07/14/2013 7:22:57 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile
Sounds to me like a thinly veiled warning that they have or are preparing to go nuclear capable on a moments notice, although that probably isn't unexpected as I'm sure they could have them in practically no time if they so desired.

Not only that, but I'm sure they've other “interesting” technologies that they're probably ready to prepare for fielding on short notice if China starts becoming significantly provocative. They're well aware that the left in this country will let China do as they please in that theater and are simply preparing to HAVE to go it alone.

17 posted on 07/14/2013 7:22:59 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: central_va

All of them? That would be zero.


18 posted on 07/14/2013 7:27:34 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: laplata

no.


19 posted on 07/14/2013 7:28:02 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Williams

Freepers tend to drift the threads to what interests them.


20 posted on 07/14/2013 7:28:18 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: JerseyanExile
Japan has already laid down one carrier with a displacement of almost 30,000 tons, with plans for another two.

Technically they're LPHs (or what Japan calls helicopter-carrying destroyers - DDHs) without a fixed wing capability. They could be refitted to carry the F-35B, but not in the kinds of numbers that the QE class could.

The QE Class also has the benefit of being engineered for catapult launch/arrested landing capability. The Brits have gone back and forth and then back again on this, the QE and PoW will be completed as STOVL ships and its highly unlikely that they'll be "uprated" to handle CATOBAR during their lives. But the growth for such is engineered into them and the Japanese could complete sisters as such - allowing them to handle the F-35C and E-2.
21 posted on 07/14/2013 7:34:39 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

..I lived in Sasebo, Japan on the island of Kyushu from 1969-1971. So, I know just a tad more than the average person about Japan. As a result, I can say that in my opinion the last thing the Chinese are going to do is F with Japan much more than they already are. The Japanese, at their core, are warriors and the Chinese are not. Samurai ethos is not dead in Japan. Japanese will fight the Chinese man for man and man to man to the last soldier....remember Iwo Jima! And, the Chinese know that, they are not stupid and have little history that I know of regarding launching major military invasions against MAJOR opponents that might kick their ass.

So, there never going to be an invasion of mainland Japan by the Chinese for that reason.

I’m no admiral but I think two aircraft carriers in the hands of the Japanese would last about as long as there WWII carriers when the shooting starts. They would be better advised to arm every man, woman and child in the country and train them plus update their nukes that few think they have but they surely do. Then, “Marines” by the several divisions and they should be in pretty good shape.

Who leads the world in electronic technology production? The Japanese will kick the Chinese paper giant’s ass if war broke out......rather like the Israeli’s have done to the Jihadi’s in 3 or 4 all out wars and hundreds of small unit fights.


22 posted on 07/14/2013 7:36:14 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: JerseyanExile
Japan has already laid down one carrier with a displacement of almost 30,000 tons, with plans for another two.

It's a "helicopter carrying destroyer"


23 posted on 07/14/2013 7:39:39 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: GeronL

They will fight for legal kiddie porn and Hello Kitty sex toys for the pretten sex idols.

How noble a cause!


Please explain what you mean.


24 posted on 07/14/2013 7:39:52 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: laplata

Japan celebrates perversion.Young girls are sex objects - what civilized country would have kiddie porn be legal?

It is so bad that it is culturally accepted. These girls are “idols”


25 posted on 07/14/2013 7:44:37 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: ErnBatavia

“A nation of butchers.”

That may be so of the Japan of the first half of the 20th Century. Now (Red)China is acting the same way the militaristic Japan did during the first half of the 20th Century. China has become today’s “Japan.”

We need to form an alliance (NATO like organization) of Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, and the U.S. If China (or others like a resurgent Russia) attacks any...then they have attacked all. Hopefully, this will help slow down China’s world domination aspirations.


26 posted on 07/14/2013 7:48:56 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: laplata

It’s well known in my neck of the woods that Japan’s well known export is either anime or hentai, or “perversion” which also includes “loli” or underage sex with below-18, or even 10 year old girls. What he termed “pre-teen sex idols” is that in Japan, “idols” are a big thing there, which simply requires underage girls, singing in half-naked costumes, singing to men on TV. That’s what GeronL was implying.

I moonlight as admin for a Jap website which includes anime, manga et al Jap crap.


27 posted on 07/14/2013 7:49:01 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: GeronL

STFU U a*****e .


28 posted on 07/14/2013 7:52:27 PM PDT by sushiman ( .)
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To: sushiman

do they have an internet cafe at that U-15 shop?


29 posted on 07/14/2013 7:55:23 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Cen-Tejas

“..I lived in Sasebo, Japan on the island of Kyushu from 1969-1971. So, I know just a tad more than the average person about Japan.”

I suspect the Japanese people of today are not the same ones as in 1971...no more so than current Americans are not the same. The average young Japanese has become as weak as the average young American. Heck our military has trouble finding enough physically fit 18-22 year olds for military service. Most are just not suitable - physically or mentally - for military service.


30 posted on 07/14/2013 7:55:46 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: max americana

That’s sick. I see the point.


31 posted on 07/14/2013 7:56:21 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: GeronL

I apologize to you. I had no idea.


32 posted on 07/14/2013 7:57:04 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: max americana

“That’s what GeronL was implying.”

Other than their fixation on Anime....I have read that the average young (under 30) Japanese male has little interest in sex....actually rather scary. Of course, American youth have too much interest.


33 posted on 07/14/2013 7:59:36 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas

“Of course, American youth have too much interest.” That is interest in sex, but not in stable marriage...just hedonistic pleasure with no responsibility. Not good at all.


34 posted on 07/14/2013 8:02:17 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: laplata

That is fine. Thank you.


35 posted on 07/14/2013 8:02:45 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: ErnBatavia

From the standpoint of realpolitik... japan and china going at it reduces china’s impact.

The weird part of all this is, china makes it, and japan ships it-— that economic link makes this dicey. Unless the US cuts off chinese imports, not likely to happen


36 posted on 07/14/2013 8:06:06 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Sola Veritas
I suppose my inability to embrace the Japs comes from the neighbors when I was a kid...an older couple who'd had a son in the Army -- on Bataan.

They never heard from him again after New Years 1942....they never really recovered.

37 posted on 07/14/2013 8:07:22 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Piffle....)
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To: kabar

And/or more like China leading obamaumau, pulling strings through finance and other areas.

The Japanese would be a formidable opponent, if they can restrain their empire dreamers.

Imagine, yakuza vs. tongs, that kind of war.


38 posted on 07/14/2013 8:08:07 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Sola Veritas
....I have read that the average young (under 30) Japanese male has little interest in sex....

Then I shall travel there and introduce the entireity of Japan's women to 'hitting it'.

39 posted on 07/14/2013 8:10:36 PM PDT by Lazamataz (If illegal aliens voted (R), then the Dems would create the tightest border security in the world.)
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To: GeronL

They will fight for legal kiddie porn and Hello Kitty sex toys for the pretten sex idols.

How noble a cause!

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Remember, their primary enemy is China. Does this mean you prefer forced abortions and a thriving sex-trafficking trade to the things you mentioned?

Also, does the Japanese Government actually fight for the two things you mentioned? Somehow, I doubt it.

At any rate: I see Japan as our ally and China as our enemy.

Perhaps you have a different perspective.


40 posted on 07/14/2013 8:11:21 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: GeronL

“what civilized country would have kiddie porn be legal?”

Well, ours, for one. We have legalized sexually deviants, known as homosexuals, as persons in authority over children, from school teachers, to cops, to judges, to priests, to Boy Scout and Girl Scout leaders, and God forbid, even as homosexual couples as adoptive parents.

That’s right. We have allowed child predators to take on legally protected status over our children.


41 posted on 07/14/2013 8:12:13 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: GeronL

Ever heard of NAMBLA a** ?


42 posted on 07/14/2013 8:15:14 PM PDT by sushiman ( .)
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To: CodeToad

A voice of reason .


43 posted on 07/14/2013 8:16:36 PM PDT by sushiman ( .)
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To: central_va

i thought all the ones we currently operate are all nuclear. From Enterprise (65) and all the Nimitz’s are all nuclear. If we have any non nuclear it may be not be worth trying to overhaul them if they’ve been mothballed for such a long time and will need so much upgrading.


44 posted on 07/14/2013 8:17:05 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Pox

Ummm, they’ve actually already gone nuclear. We’re in the fallout path.


45 posted on 07/14/2013 8:19:15 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: sushiman

Thank you. We’ve got to stop trying to change the world and fix our own. I couldn’t care less about Japan, not that I don’t like them or wish them any harm, I just do not care. Our country needs far more help than the others.


46 posted on 07/14/2013 8:20:14 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Sola Veritas

Same in Japan. Girls learn that child prostitution is a good way to earn “pocket money” and that “love motels” and cafes will hold the Johns money to ensure payment.

Little to no stigma attacher any more.

Very sad.

You know how Hollyweird throws gays and sluts into every TV show. It is hard to find Japanese anime without at least one child character obsessed with porn or sex - even kindergarten aged characters. Its influence has made this all seem perfecly normal for the children in that country.

All over Tokyo are U-15 shops where you can buy mags and videos of skimpy-clothed girls posing and simulating... inthongs and whatnot. These girls can be 8 for crying out loud. Parents are putting these girls on the doorstep of porn careers and sometimes both since child porn is legal to possess in Tokyo and Nagano.

Sexual-shaped ice cream and candy - pillows with genitals attached - lingerie for preteens - Hello Kitty sex toys - etcetc all there for the children to buy at the mall.

I think the age of consent is something like 12 - not that anyone cares. Also note that anal and oral are not classified as sex and you get an idea of what they are paying to do.

and people why Japanese arent having enough kids?

Who would want a child in such a messed up place? (like San Fran with more pervs)


47 posted on 07/14/2013 8:24:38 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: sushiman

NAMBLA is still illegal and underground


48 posted on 07/14/2013 8:25:37 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Sola Veritas

It doesn’t take many. Never has. Most soldiers in any age are burdens and canon fodder. Conscript forces differ greatly in quality from professional standards. Ours did in WWII, Korea, Nam....vs Iraq I, II and Afghanistan.

“Out of every ONE HUNDRED men, TEN should not be there, EIGHTY are nothing but targets, NINE are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they the battle make.”
“Ah, but the ONE, ONE of them is a WARRIOR, and he will bring the others back.” Heraclitus 500 BC also attributed to Xenophon....never can find the original citation.

Regardless, from the classic Greeks...a nation of warriors if ever there was one.

My uncle Carl had a more appropriate if less scholarly quote....he was in China Burma theater (WWII) and then Korea....said he would rather fight 10 Chinamen than one Jap...and that is exactly how the red bastards work it.”

Modern China on offense vs modern Japan on defense.

It would be an interesting test of power as James T. Kirk would say. I would stay out of it for the first few rounds and come in for the victory dance myself. It will be long, harsh and bloody.

To protect it’s interests, Japan doesn’t need aircraft carriers....it is one. It will need lots of planes, subs, littoral combat ships, and assault landing ships to take back the islands China will seize by surprise and concentration of force.


49 posted on 07/14/2013 8:26:11 PM PDT by Lowell1775
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To: man_in_tx

I do not see either as a good guy


50 posted on 07/14/2013 8:26:42 PM PDT by GeronL
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