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Mr. President, Can We Please Move On?
Red State ^ | 7/15/2013 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 07/15/2013 4:15:57 AM PDT by IbJensen

I have said and will say again — the death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy. A jury of six in Florida has determined it was not criminal, but George Zimmerman will forever be the man who killed a 17 year old.

No one can be happy about what happened other than, for Zimmerman and his family, that a jury believed him.

Now the NAACP and others are calling for Attorney General Eric Holder to file charges against George Zimmerman. Never mind that federal investigators already decided there was no racial motivation. This is not double jeopardy. The state and federal governments remain separate entities with separate jurisdictions. A trial in one does not preclude another.

But in this case it should.

I understand why so many in the black community feel there was an injustice. The original injustice was that George Zimmerman was not arrested for the crime. He eventually was and a jury eventually found him not guilty of both murder and manslaughter. The State of Florida listened to the original outcry and responded with an arrest, investigation, and trial that rendered a verdict of not guilty from a jury of George Zimmerman’s peers.

Our system is not perfect, but it is preferable to rule by the mob. Juries are not perfect, but they are better than the court of public opinion. Many will feel justice was not served, but it was. Justice does not mean getting the outcome one side desires. Even so, those who are glad of the verdict should try to understand why so many feel so cold by what has happened and some see injustice.

I see too much politicization by too many people on more than one side. A boy is dead. A man’s life ruined. And too many are trying to capitalize on the politics of now.

As the President said yesterday, a jury has spoken. It is time to respect the verdict of that jury and move on. Trayvon Martin will never come back and George Zimmerman may be free, but it will be a long time, if ever, before his life returns to normal.

Our country still has much to learn about itself. Sadly, too many profit from us not learning and fanning the flames of hostility. Those who have legitimate grievance in the verdict — and they do exist beyond Trayvon Martin’s family — are drowned out by those whose only grievance is their inability to profit as much as they may from this tragedy.

We should all embrace the quiet dignity shown by Trayvon Martin’s parents these last few days and embrace the President’s words:

“We are a nation of laws and a jury has spoken. I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son.”

Mr. President, I hope your administration will make it clear that it is time to embrace the better angels of ourselves and move on from this tragedy. A federal trial does not do that and I am heartened by your words yesterday that you seem to recognize this.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: barackobama; evilobamaregime; zimmermancase
The mystery man in the White Hut is, by his very evil nature, the king of the race pimps. He can't keep his big mouth shut unless he's puffing on a cigaret, a doobie or unleasing another outrage against the American people or their Constitution.

Where was the public outcry for Federal Involvement when OJ Simpson was acquitted? The anti-American society groups in this country will bully their way via the Judiciary, to accomplish their own ends, always eager to ignore the constituion. If something happens that they don't like they dash off to the courthouse to shop for a judge who will give them the different result they seek.

When this anti-American dam bursts, it is going to be ugly and bloody.

1 posted on 07/15/2013 4:15:57 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen
the death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy

One of the classical writers ... Aristotle in the Poetics? ... observed that the fall of a great man is a tragedy. The death of someone like Trayvon Martin, or your average suburban Jane, is just sad.

Furthermore, in this case, it's sad mainly because of the waste of a life which had the potential, but not a good probability, of being happy and productive. Weigh that against the prevention of the additional harm he might have done, and you're pretty much left with "sympathies to his family and friends."

2 posted on 07/15/2013 4:26:23 AM PDT by Tax-chick (No pun intended, no punishment ... If I offended you, you needed it.)
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To: IbJensen
Okay, I guess. But the guy is off to say it wouldn't be double jeopardy to try George Zimmerman again at the federal level. As it was after the Rodney King beating verdict, it would be here. And to say that Zimmerman should have been arrested at day one? Well certainly he was detained, but finding no probable cause for arrest, he wasn't.

Some Red State conservative, now let's move on.

3 posted on 07/15/2013 4:34:01 AM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (I will not comply.)
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To: All

arrested for the crime? what crime?


4 posted on 07/15/2013 4:35:28 AM PDT by bagster
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To: All

Considering how laughable the prosecution’s case was, the claim that it was an injustice that Zimmerman was not arrested at first is utterly specious.

There was no evidence upon which to waste money on a trial, and when a trial was forced to happen this became abundantly clear. I suppose the author is trying to be even handed, but when one of the hands pushed for a show trial of an innocent man, being equitable about it merely shows a lack of comprehension.


5 posted on 07/15/2013 4:35:37 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: Tax-chick

If thinking about the death of Martin stops black youths from ganging up on whites and physically harming them or killing them, then his death might do some good. There’s millions of feral black teenagers roaming the nation’s streets looking for trouble. If knowing what happened to Martin could happen to them, maybe some good can come out of it. But I doubt it will have any effect like that. In 5-10 years time, most young people will have forgotten about Martin.


6 posted on 07/15/2013 4:40:22 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: IbJensen

——the death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy——

I see no tragedy. I see justice in the form of a dead assailant that used deadly force to overpower a smaller person. He made a mental error, he did not think. He did not consider his victim might have a means of defense.

Trayvon was killed by the very urban black culture of crime and violence that now seeks a do over.

If the negro community seeks vengence, then the retribution will be severe. Travon is a role model for what might be to come


7 posted on 07/15/2013 4:42:38 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: Tax-chick

‘the death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy’

No, it was a blessing.

Trayvon had just turned 17, was and experienced, belligerent, street fighter, burglar, and working on murdering his first”Creepy Azz Cracker” when Zim made him good. How many more burglaries, assaults, or even murders would he have committed if he lived a long life?

Obama talks about “honoring” this thug when it is Zimmerman, in this story who should be honored.


8 posted on 07/15/2013 4:46:34 AM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: IbJensen

“the death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy”

No. The death of trayvon martin was predictable. If it hadn’t been Zim, it would have eventually been someone else who either killed trayvon, or someone trayvon killed...most likely another black person. What the REAL tragedy is here is that we have a man in the Oval Office who hates white people AND black people because he is neither. He is a muslim who doesn’t fit anywhere in American culture, black or white. His hatred of America and everything it stands for penetrates the bone.


9 posted on 07/15/2013 4:48:44 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work, You gotta earn them.)
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To: IbJensen
Here is the path Trayvon was headed down.

Gunman kills one in shooting at Family Dollar in Tampa

10 posted on 07/15/2013 4:50:52 AM PDT by PogySailor
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To: IbJensen

Never try to beat down a man with a gun.


11 posted on 07/15/2013 4:51:52 AM PDT by IC Ken
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To: IbJensen
"The State of Florida listened to the original outcry and responded with an arrest, investigation, and trial that rendered a verdict of not guilty from a jury of George Zimmerman’s peers. Our system is not perfect, but it is preferable to rule by the mob."

What in hell is he talking about???? The spineless state of Florida absolutely caved in to "mob rule" and brought a case where there was none.
Who is Erick Erickson anyway?

12 posted on 07/15/2013 4:53:48 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You can't force people to care.)
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To: driftless2

5 to 10 years?

I don’t think so.
A majority elected Hussein as POTUS just 7 years after 9/11/01.
Who on 9/12/01 would have called that one?

I suppose only a person who predicted that the mooslims would win the war.


13 posted on 07/15/2013 4:54:13 AM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: IbJensen

I’m sure the president loves this...All the cr** we have on him has blown away in the wind.


14 posted on 07/15/2013 5:02:26 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: IbJensen
This is not double jeopardy. The state and federal governments remain separate entities with separate jurisdictions. A trial in one does not preclude another.

Ths is idiocy in its purest form. Belief in this concept shows a complete disregard for, or lack of understanding of the US Constitution.

This concept is just another government construct, another weasle worded government loophole, a way to bypass and trample on the US Constitution.

The 5th amendment is clear - no double jeopardy for citizens of the entire nation..

Why would certain constitutional rights supercede states rights and apply universally, but the prohibition against double jeopardy would not?

Only in the minds of corrupt government officials does that make sense.

The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


15 posted on 07/15/2013 5:03:27 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.)
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To: Clump

I’m talking about young, almost totally uneducated, black youths. They’re not the kind of people who pick up books about politics to read or watch Sunday morning talk shows. They grow up feral, uneducated, and with a tremendous hatred of white people. In ten years time, (thanks to the efforts of libs of all colors for the past fifty years) there will be a new group of uneducated, feral, violent, black teens who resist all attempts at civilization and lash out at anybody who “disrespects” them. Like Trayvon Martin the wannabe gangster.


16 posted on 07/15/2013 5:07:01 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: IbJensen
the death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy

No way to quantify just how many innocent lives were saved by the criminal's death.

17 posted on 07/15/2013 5:07:39 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: IbJensen

Does everyone remember back in 1994-1995 how upset blacks were when OJ savagely stabbed his wife and Ronald Goldman to death, but beat the rap and got off scot-free?

Me neither.


18 posted on 07/15/2013 5:08:56 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.)
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To: IbJensen

Obama may accentuate it but all this crap is never going to go away unless whites stand up and say enough. It matters not that Obama is in the Whitehouse.


19 posted on 07/15/2013 5:09:54 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: driftless2
If thinking about the death of Martin stops black youths from ganging up on whites and physically harming them or killing them

It won't.

then his death might do some good.

The "good" that came from Martin's death is the fact that he (Martin) will never be able to harm another human being, black or white. A non quantifiable number of people may well live to be of an old age because Martin is no longer on earth.

How many lives did Zimmerman save?

20 posted on 07/15/2013 5:23:24 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Past Your Eyes

I hear talk of a civil suit, Zimmerman vs. the state of Florida for malicious prosecution.


21 posted on 07/15/2013 5:25:22 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Past Your Eyes

He’s the editor-publisher of Red State.


22 posted on 07/15/2013 5:31:19 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen
Mr. President, Can We Please Move On?

The incompetent foreign usurper in the white hut spends his time on local matters, which are none of his business (when he's not on the golf course or vacation or issuing imperial decrees), meanwhile Iran is very close to getting the bomb.

He has set race relations back at least 75 years.

23 posted on 07/15/2013 5:34:24 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (A Quiet Rage is Building All Across America!)
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To: bagster

> arrested for the crime? what crime?

The crime of not being beat down or killed by a black thug. Most thugs think they have the monopoly of being the hardest criminals on the planet and that they should always come out the victor when exchanging blows with whitey. They dont like it when they lose.


24 posted on 07/15/2013 5:39:48 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: The Sons of Liberty

> The incompetent foreign usurper in the white hut spends his time on local matters, which are none of his business (when he’s not on the golf course or vacation or issuing imperial decrees), meanwhile Iran is very close to getting the bomb.

He has set race relations back at least 75 years.

But made a lot of us take notice and appreciate the respectful, hardworking, Christian black people a whole lot more. I have some good Christian friends that just happen to be black and I enjoy talking with and hanging out in fellowship around the same dinner table after church. I have no problem at all having them as neighbors either.


25 posted on 07/15/2013 5:48:02 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: IbJensen
"When this anti-American dam bursts, it is going to be ugly and bloody."

It will also be quite brief... almost all the guns, and all the best shots, are on our side of this conflict. Obama's drooling, crack-addled, handout-driven "Civilian Army" will be lucky if they're looking down the right hole when they push their triggers.

Eff 'em where they breathe. They're goners. LMAO!

;-\

26 posted on 07/15/2013 5:51:23 AM PDT by Gargantua (America's starting to smell like a steaming pile of Obama.)
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To: IbJensen

Forward! Except for this ... let’s play the race card first.


27 posted on 07/15/2013 5:55:49 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

“They grow up feral, uneducated, and with a tremendous hatred of white people. In ten years time, (thanks to the efforts of libs of all colors for the past fifty years) there will be a new group of uneducated, feral, violent, black teens who resist all attempts at civilization and lash out at anybody who “disrespects” them. Like Trayvon Martin the wannabe gangster.”......

Sounds more like a “sewer rat” to me. Hide in the daytime (mostly), roam the streets and alleys at night seeking to steal what ever they can grab. Just be glad sewer rats don’t carry guns or knives.


28 posted on 07/15/2013 5:56:56 AM PDT by DaveA37 (I'm for SMALLER , HONEST government)
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To: IbJensen

” the king of the race pimps.”

Yep... Someone once called him the ... “Long Legged Mack Daddy”

Urban Definition...

A pimp is someone smooth and charismatic and good with women and uses his powers to exploit weak women.

A mack is a pimp that is able to exploit both men and women.

A mack daddy is a mac that is able to exploit other macs

A long legged mack daddy is a king or chief or master mac daddy. Sort of like the godfather of all mac daddies.


29 posted on 07/15/2013 6:00:31 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: IbJensen

Mr. _resident, can you please move on outta MY house.


30 posted on 07/15/2013 6:07:27 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: IbJensen
I see too much politicization by too many people on more than one side. A boy is dead. A man’s life ruined. And too many are trying to capitalize on the politics of now.

There is far too much politicization, but lets not kid ourselves about it being on more than one side.

The left - the MSM, most of the political structure & government bureaucracy, civil rights industry - defines itself by politics. They politicize everything. If they stopped they 'd fade away.

31 posted on 07/15/2013 6:10:32 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: IbJensen

Now that the full implementation of the Communist Manifesto is complete we are living under black communist rule and these unconstitutional “Civil Rights” kangaroo court laws will be used against us until the entire USA looks like Detroit.

Apologies to the handful of blacks on the right side of their bell curve but blacks in general have used up their White Guilt cards.

TM committed the first criminal act and HIS decision to start throwing punches and slamming GZs head into the ground is not a black/white/Hispanic/Amish thing but a criminal act by a thug who had already been in trouble with the law.

The trash was disposed of. The color of that trash is irrelevant.


32 posted on 07/15/2013 7:23:15 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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“the death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy”

The way Trayvon attacked GM with the intent to kill, leaves
me thinking that it’s probable that he may have done it
before and if he would have killed GM and ran away he may
have gotten away with it. This was no tragedy, this was a
public service.


33 posted on 07/15/2013 7:28:29 AM PDT by Slambat
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To: Graybeard58
Indirectly, he might save a lot of lives. If (big if) a number of violent, black youths remember what happened to Martin and think twice before they assault another "defenseless" victim. To be sure, it would be great if a number of the black youths engaging in "polar bear" hunts were gunned down. No question about it. I would bet every violent, black youth has been through many school grades where teachers talked about loving and respecting everybody and violence is terrible. All those years of having those wonderful, peaceful, humanity-loving lectures by well-meaning liberal teachers have done absolutely no good to those millions of black males who turned to violence anyway.

There is fairly large segment (approx. 1/5 to 1/4) of black males who grow up almost completely uneducated, feral, and violent with great hatred towards white people or anyone perceived as easy pickings. They are the most dangerous and worthless American citizens...(arguable since white liberals/leftists are almost as big a threat.) If word spread, as it would, that assaulting innocent people might lead to getting your head blown off, hopefully the black terror inflicted on innocent white AND!!! black people by feral, black youths will be halted or at least deterred.

34 posted on 07/15/2013 9:02:42 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: jsanders2001

Blacks are like any other people - you have bad actors and you have good ones. When you find good ones, it is great, but unfortunately the black culture promotes the opposite, so good ones are rare.


35 posted on 07/15/2013 10:10:23 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (A Quiet Rage is Building All Across America!)
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To: Iron Munro
Iron Munro quoted: "... nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; ..."

This is exactly what I was going to post.

It's absolute nonsense to believe that our Founders would have expected Zimmerman to have to face a second trial because of his encounter with Martin.

If the federal government feels compelled to take action in such a case, it should be the obligation of the federal government to prosecute for all crimes claimed against the defendant. We know that the state would not be entitled to answer an acquittal for murder by then announcing a new trial for manslaughter. All lesser included offenses should be argued at one trial.

I would like to know what crime the federal government would be claiming was committed by Zimmerman if he had not fired the shot and what evidence they have of such a crime.

36 posted on 07/15/2013 11:48:57 AM PDT by William Tell
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