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After Trayvon Martin Slaying, Holder Blasts ´Stand Your Ground´
Wall Street Journal ^ | 7/16/13 | Devlin Barrett

Posted on 07/16/2013 2:24:16 PM PDT by Nachum

Attorney General Eric Holder blasted "stand-your-ground laws" in the wake of the acquittal of George Zimmerman for fatally shooting Trayvon Martin—saying such laws cause more violence than they prevent. Mr. Holder, speaking to the NAACP Annual Convention in Orlando, Fla., not far from where Mr. Zimmerman was acquitted last week, took direct aim at stand-your-ground laws, which say a person can use force in self-defense without first attempting to retreat from the situation. "Separate and apart from the case that has drawn the nation´s attention, it´s time to question laws that senselessly expand the concept of self-defense and sow

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; bhodoj; blackrage; drivebymedia; ericholder; georgezimmerman; holder; injusticefortrayvon; liberalagenda; liberalmedia; martin; slaying; standyourground; trayvon; trayvonmartin
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1 posted on 07/16/2013 2:24:16 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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2 posted on 07/16/2013 2:24:54 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Pure deceit. And the low information voters and professional victim class lapped it up.....


3 posted on 07/16/2013 2:25:15 PM PDT by clintonh8r (white Caucasian)
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To: Nachum

I refer you to my previous post about being disarmed leading to Auschwitz.


4 posted on 07/16/2013 2:25:16 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Nachum

5 posted on 07/16/2013 2:26:39 PM PDT by South40
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To: Nachum

The Administration has NEVER liked Stand Your Ground.
Pure opportunism.


6 posted on 07/16/2013 2:26:44 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Nachum
Stand your ground was never intended to say that if you have a way to safely retreat from a confrontation, you should not consider doing just that.

It was written to limit the kind of unwarranted prosecutions like we have just witnessed.

7 posted on 07/16/2013 2:27:39 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be what you might have been.)
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To: Nachum

“Mr. Martin, a black teenager, was walking to his father’s house in Sanford, Fla., from a nearby convenience store in the early evening when he was spotted by Mr. Zimmerman, a neighborhood-watch volunteer who thought Mr. Martin was suspicious. Mr. Zimmerman, who is Hispanic, called 911 and began following Mr. Martin, leading to a confrontation in which the 29-year-old Mr. Zimmerman shot the teenager.”
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A deceitful oversimplified description. He broke off following the kid and was attacked later.


8 posted on 07/16/2013 2:27:57 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: South40

Owww. Where of where is uncle al’s hand?


9 posted on 07/16/2013 2:28:23 PM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: Nachum

“It’s not the facts of the case, it’s the seriousness of the charge...”

It was ALWAYS about getting Gun Control legislated from the bench. SYG and the Castle Doctrine are under the gun...


10 posted on 07/16/2013 2:28:25 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: Nachum

Up yours, Holder. It’s none of your business.


11 posted on 07/16/2013 2:28:28 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Nachum

And he knows damn good an well that stand your ground played no role at all in the Zimmerman case.


12 posted on 07/16/2013 2:28:29 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: South40

Watch out, Eric! Rev. Al is going for your wallet!


13 posted on 07/16/2013 2:29:12 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Nachum

“Never let a crisis go to waste.” Little Trayvon was a useless loser in life - a druggie, a thief, and a bully (I can see why Obama thinks Little Trayvon is his spiritual son). The left is hoping to at least get political mileage out of Little Trayvon’s justifiable death, repealing a law they never liked even though that law was irrelevant to Little Trayvon’s attack against George Zimmerman.


14 posted on 07/16/2013 2:29:25 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Nachum
the other day, the Left was all a-Twitter about how Skittles was just Standing his Ground and was justified in attempting to kill Z. Now we know St. Drank thought he gonna beat up a cop or a kweer
15 posted on 07/16/2013 2:29:26 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Nachum

:: it´s time to question laws that senselessly expand the concept of self-defense ::

Does he even listen to his rhetoric?


16 posted on 07/16/2013 2:29:30 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Sender

I guess it is my hope that one day one of these race-hustlers will be in a situation where they might welcome that “stand your ground” law. Or that they may be the recipient of a whoop ass.

Maybe this sounds harsh, but I’m sick of the whole bunch of them.


17 posted on 07/16/2013 2:29:35 PM PDT by Catsrus (`)
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To: John Semmens

Thought this was one of yours...


18 posted on 07/16/2013 2:29:46 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Nachum

FUEH


19 posted on 07/16/2013 2:31:08 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: DBrow

Mr. Zimmerman called the non emergency number to report a suspicious person. When set upon by said suspicious person and pinned to the ground, retreat was impossible so he stood his ground. Not that he had a duty to retreat. So much went wrong for the whole mess regardless of the results. No gun, Mr. Zimmerman would likely be dead or brain damaged. The perp would probably have walked.


20 posted on 07/16/2013 2:31:37 PM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: Nachum

I am confused, wasn’t the case about 2nd degree murder or manslaughter? SYG?? It was never a case about that. I am truly living in the world of Bizzaro.


21 posted on 07/16/2013 2:31:44 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Remember Ty Woods? Glenn Doherty ? Forgot already?)
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To: Nachum

More gasoline on the fire


22 posted on 07/16/2013 2:32:07 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave ofo attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: clintonh8r

Yep, Stand your ground had NOTHING to do with this trial. Zimmerman is innocent.


23 posted on 07/16/2013 2:32:49 PM PDT by omega4179
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To: Nachum

The right of self defense precedes all laws of men. Try me, Holder!


24 posted on 07/16/2013 2:32:50 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: rktman

He did not stand his ground, he was grounded and defended himself. No stand your ground law was cited by defense.


25 posted on 07/16/2013 2:34:16 PM PDT by omega4179
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To: DBrow
leading to a confrontation

Don't ya love the way the media continues to use the vague, nebulous "a confrontation happened" meme? Makes it sound like both parties were equally responsible.

Except that a confrontation didn't just "happen", Trayvon jumped Zimmerman and sucker-punched him square in the face. Trayvon started the violence, and would have continued until his victim was dead - as Trayvon himself verbally promised at the time - had Zimmerman not been fortuitously armed.

THAT's what really happened, Big Media. I realize it's a lot for you guys to accept.


26 posted on 07/16/2013 2:34:25 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Nachum

What a demagogue! There was no Stand Your Ground issue in the Zimmerman case. What a deceitful piece of trash!


27 posted on 07/16/2013 2:34:49 PM PDT by Castigar
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To: Nachum

Stra man argument again...stand your ground was not an issue in this case. This was self defense.


28 posted on 07/16/2013 2:36:35 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Nachum

I’m two counties away from Sanford and our sheriff told me we were at a 40 year low on violent crime and almost the lowest since crime stats have been kept in the county. So Eric Holder is a liar. SYG had nothing to do with the case between Zimmerman and Martin but it sure keeps the violent crime rates low.


29 posted on 07/16/2013 2:37:47 PM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Al looks old and sick!


30 posted on 07/16/2013 2:37:48 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Nachum
That was not a "stand your ground" situation.

"Stand your ground" laws say that you do not have to retreat from an attack if you have the option.

When you're lying on your back with somebody on top of you slamming your head onto a hard surface, you don't have an opportunity to retreat.

In that situation, it is a basic human right to defend yourself in any way possible without relying upon the "stand your ground" laws.

As usual, Holder is FOS.

31 posted on 07/16/2013 2:38:02 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: omega4179

You are correct. He was grounded and not standing. Hmmmm! And, yes, I know that was never addressed. Didn’t need to be. But erica holdem thinks it needs to be now. Will anyone save us from these fools? Please. I can only do so much. LOL!


32 posted on 07/16/2013 2:38:17 PM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: South40

Three great “Nigger” or “Nigga” men so glad to be living in this day of “let’s get those creepy ass crackers”.

Looks like Sharpton is either going for the wallet or checking whether EH is really a boy!

Pimps, all three.


33 posted on 07/16/2013 2:38:39 PM PDT by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: Nachum

Not your job to write the laws a##hole, it’s your job to enforce them.


34 posted on 07/16/2013 2:39:39 PM PDT by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms.....")
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To: omega4179
Stand your ground had NOTHING to do with this trial.

Neither did the truth.

35 posted on 07/16/2013 2:40:05 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Nachum

The operative word being “Stand” your ground.

There was no standing here. He was as flat on his back as Katie Couric


36 posted on 07/16/2013 2:40:59 PM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: Nachum
In order to index and archive the afternath of the Zimmerman trial, please add 'blackrage' to the keywords. Thank you.


37 posted on 07/16/2013 2:43:56 PM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work, You gotta earn them.)
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To: digger48

“Stand Your Ground” is the common sense alternative to the insane “Duty to Retreat” standard in places like New York City where I grew up. Under Duty to Retreat, even if you’re in your own home you have to flee rather than defend it. Liberals want to enable barbarians to take what people have earned with no consequences to the barbarians.


38 posted on 07/16/2013 2:44:36 PM PDT by JMS
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To: digger48

To the extent that Holder’s remark’s support the criminals’ hatred of Stand Your Ground rules of defense, this is another reason to Impeach Obama!


39 posted on 07/16/2013 2:45:27 PM PDT by Helotes
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To: Nachum
Yeah; those blacks are not used to having to worry about Whitey having a gun; now they're scared shitless as they do their routine beatdowns, robberies, rapes, auto theft, etc.

Too bad the Right to Bear Arms is still in effect, because THAT is what they want to eliminate.

They KNOW that the populace is arming itself, and they are buying bullets by the billions for the Gubmint, because they KNOW it ain't gonna be that easy to quell the disgust and anger that these "Progressives" have created.

40 posted on 07/16/2013 2:45:44 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: Nachum

The opposite of “stand your ground” is “grovel before your barbarian masters.”

You have to do this in Massholechusetts, you know.


41 posted on 07/16/2013 2:46:07 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Nachum

Trayvon Martin now officially identified as phase 3 of going after guns.

Admin said next time (this time) tie in a racial component we can exploit to it.

Holder knows this wasn’t a SYG case. It was a self-defense case.


42 posted on 07/16/2013 2:46:29 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: South40

LOL Sharky looks like he’s humping Holder’s leg.


43 posted on 07/16/2013 2:46:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Helotes

of course the case had nothing to do with SYG


44 posted on 07/16/2013 2:46:51 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: rktman

Holder has a look on his face like Sharpton just grabbed him. Creepy.


45 posted on 07/16/2013 2:46:55 PM PDT by South40
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To: Nachum

Laws that sensellessly allow non-blacks and kuffars to defend themselves....


46 posted on 07/16/2013 2:47:11 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Say no to Homobama))
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To: All

It was a simple self-defense case and defense.

SYG was not used.

What a moron Holder is. How can the Atty. Gen. not know this?


47 posted on 07/16/2013 2:47:12 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obam a's Socialist Agenda:)
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To: Nachum
Arrrggghhhhh! scream!

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48 posted on 07/16/2013 2:47:33 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: South40

What are they passing off?


49 posted on 07/16/2013 2:48:02 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: South40

Hi Al, hey where’s that hand of yours going...?

Just holdin you, Holder...


50 posted on 07/16/2013 2:48:03 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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