Posted on 07/21/2013 5:08:24 PM PDT by markomalley
like a vicious cycle as soon as the immigrants become American citizens they won’t do those jobs anymore so you need a whole new batch and then when those become American citizens...
They are not coming here to work. They are coming her to get on welfare.
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yeah that makes sense since there are no jobs
The reason Americans won’t do those jobs is because
they AREN’T HUNGRY ENOUGH.
A THIRD of our nation is on government subsistance,
why should they?
That is the dirty secret there.
But if wages went up, the cost of what those workers produced would raise the cost of living.
Then the government couldn't print money to give to the banksters and still say there's no inlfation.
Very true.
If I can draw $400 a week cash, get food stamps, and live in government housing for sitting on my butt... ($10 an hour plus some serious benefits)
...then why should I go out and get a job that pays $8.50 an hour plus lose all of those benefits?
Sowell's right on this - and not only are the farmers not paying crap they also let the illegals go after picking then the rest of us have to pick up the tab for their food stamps and medical care. It's time for farmers to quit relying on the rest of us to support their operations....
take away all the freebies, lets see how many hungry Americans would now do “the jobs Americans wont take”
The far more likely reaction is that American farmers will stop growing crops that require many workers. …
If they do, then they are providing opportunities for farmers in Mexico to grow those crops and earn hard currency exporting them.
Or for Americans to grow those crops and sell them through "pick your own farms", a decent and workable business model here in SW Pennsylvania.
Or for Americans to invent mechanical harvesting equipment. Before Eisenhower launched "Operation Wetback" to send many Mexican nationals home, most of our tomatoes were harvested by manual pickers.
After a shortage of workers resulted, it took little time for mechanical harvesting equipment to be introduced for tomatoes.
Why would other crops be so different?
As long as welfare pays more than the least desirable jobs, there will be jobs "Americans don't want to do". Still, when I did ag labor for persons who were not relatives, it paid very well (3.5 X minimum wage). I wasn't picking cucumbers, though, I was cutting tobacco.
The bottom line is that in the middle, between entry-level jobs and those higher up the food chain, is the seductive alternative of a system which is all too willing to take one in in a moment of misfortune or poor planning, an alternative which can pay better than working, which can be--and is mercilessly--scammed for fun and profit, and which is set up in such a way as to be difficult to extricate self and family from. That extrication requires determination and sacrifice, a sense of pride in breaking away from the system and going it on your own which has been hammered out of American youth for at least two generations, if one has not been brainwashed to believe that they are "owed" any largesse for social wrongs, real or imagined from a time well before their birth.
As long as that is what greets the American teenager when they come of age, as long as those within the tendrils of that system find comfort there, as long as it pays better for nothing than work does, there will be jobs 'Americans won't do".
If the once safety net was trimmed down from its purse seine dimensions, to the original concept--or even to its Constitutionally authorized dimensions, there would be a multitude of jobs that Americans would do again.
What small hands did freed larger hands to do more.
Regardless of how you may feel about that, for a kid, it was cash money, it taught a work ethic, it taught responsibility which came with 'status' rewards (being able to drive a tractor from point a to point b on farm roads), and I would not trade the experience for the world.
Those days are gone. There are even serious limits now on what you can let your own kids do (or they can be taken from you for 'abuse')--and others need not apply. Jobs that could be handled by a seven year old are instead reserved for those far older, the seven year olds find other things to do, and work ethics break down, even in farming families.
Here’s a thought - quit paying Americans the equivalent of a $35,000 per year job to sit on their butts all day. Because that is about what they’re getting if you add up all the benefits that the taxpayer is paying for. Food stamps, welfare, section 8, school lunches, etc. If the people had to earn their keep, there’d be plenty of Americans happy to work on farms.
The stupidity....it burns.
“They are not coming here to work. They are coming her to get on welfare.”
They are being wooed by NJ to stop our schools from closing due to lack of children. Americans aren’t having children here anymore, and many of the young ones are leaving the state anyway.
Don’t believe that the US will be a majority non-white country by 2050; it will happen by 2020. If the 2012 election didn’t prove that, come to NJ and see for yourself. Our maternity wards and schoolyards are teeming with the Bronze Horde.
You're right on this Joe. There's something between teaching a child to be totally useless and allowing a child to be exploited. You were raised well within the balance - and benefited from it. Thanks for sharing.
There was a thread about fast food workers the other day.
Like farm workers, in most areas it is a low wage job. And just like migrant workers, most are being taken by new immigrants.
We traveled over the weekend, and saw many fast food places. Very few in our trip had any teenagers. Most had Hispanics with a bad command of the language.
If you raise the wages high enough, just about ANYONE would pick cucumbers.
If you don’t have enough labor, then that labor shortage will cause you to raise the wages to where you don’t have a labor shortage. After all, we do have multiple millions sitting at home unemployed.
Unless, of course, you live in an America where we no longer have leaders who think America is an exceptional place where there are benefits to being a citizen. If you want to play in our marketplace, since it’s the best around, then you pay a premium. (If you want to go to Disneyland, then you pay a premium to get in, and you pay their prices while you’re there. It’s such a unique place, though, that they can demand it...AND...get it.)
Our leadership, however, is sold out to social corporatism and to importing serf labor to undercut our own workers, thereby increasing the social corporatists’ wealth and power. Why? (1) They see themselves as the new aristocracy, the ubermensch. They truly believe they were born to rule. (2) They want all workers to be at the serf level, and the best way to do that is to gradually reduce everyone’s wages to serf levels by bringing in serfs. (3) They also want serfs, conditioned to acceptance of life’s doldrums and handouts from their masters, to influence the vote by voting for their masters and undercutting the existence of the middle class in America.
This is the truth of illegal immigration, and those who don’t see it are supporting it.
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