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Boehner: No debt ceiling hike without more spending cuts
Hotair ^ | 07/23/2013 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 07/23/2013 10:06:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Republicans plan to use the debt ceiling as a lever in budget negotiations this fall, according to John Boebner. The House Speaker set the bar in a press conference earlier today, demanding fresh cuts in federal spending as a trade for approving another hike in the debt ceiling:

Setting the stage for a fall showdown over raising the nation’s debt ceiling, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, renewed on Tuesday his insistence that “we’re not going to raise the debt ceiling without real cuts in spending. It’s as simple as that.”

As President Barack Obama readies a series of speeches later this week setting the parameters for this fall’s fight over government spending, the top House Republican said his position remained unchanged.

“I believe the so-called Boehner Rule is the right formula for getting that done,” he later added, referring to the eponymous rule matching new debt authority with spending cuts[.]

We’ve traveled this road a few times already, but so far the record is mixed. When Democrats had leverage with the expiration of the Bush-era tax rates, the debt ceiling became the only leverage Republicans had to force a deal. The deal on tax rates over the New Year holiday eliminated the Democratic advantage on budget fights, and they bet and lost that Republicans wouldn’t pull the trigger on the sequester, a deal they got by leveraging the debt ceiling in 2011.

However, does this really give Republicans much of an advantage? The reason why the debt ceiling could easily be decoupled from the budget is because there was no budget. The Democratic majority in the Senate refused to produce a regular-order budget for three years, which meant that spending was authorized in a series of stop-gap continuing resolutions and last-minute omnibus deals. The Senate finally got around to fulfilling its constitutional obligations in March of this year with its “Foundation for Growth” budget resolution on a 50-49 vote. (Red-state Democrats bailed on the plan.)

The proper process would be to have the House pass its own budget and then go to conference committee, with the debt ceiling raised high enough to cover the borrowing authorized by Congress in the budget. Furthermore, no one believes that Boehner will really allow a technical default or potential bond crisis to take place, especially with regular order restored; recall that “normal order” was the demand that Democrats reluctantly met in the spring on the last debt-ceiling threat. Boehner’s statement today sounds like a good PR play, but I doubt it’s the actual strategy on the ground in the House.

On the other hand, Senator Mike Lee threatens a less-dangerous government shutdown over ObamaCare — if it’s funded through continuing resolutions, that is:

“Congress, of course, has to pass a law to continue funding government. Lately, we’ve been doing that through a funding mechanism called a continuing resolution. If Republicans in both houses simply refuse to vote for any continuing resolution that contains further funding for further enforcement of Obamacare, we can stop it, we can stop the individual mandate from going into effect.”

Maybe Republicans will declare a belated victory on normal order and leave the Age of Cliffs to the past. No one will know the real answer for another six or seven weeks, but I wouldn’t bet on a big debt-ceiling fight.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: abortion; boehner; deathpanels; debt; debtceiling; obamacare; ohio; randsconcerntrolls; spending; zerocare

1 posted on 07/23/2013 10:06:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Isn’t this what he said back in 2011? I am still waiting for those cuts.


2 posted on 07/23/2013 10:07:33 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: SeekAndFind
Boehner: No debt ceiling hike without more spending cuts

More spending cuts? He says that like there have acutally been any spending cuts to date.

3 posted on 07/23/2013 10:08:25 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: SeekAndFind

I call BS simple because Boehner said it.

The man’s testicles have retracted somewhere up around his larynx.


4 posted on 07/23/2013 10:11:05 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: maddog55
"The man’s testicles have retracted somewhere up around his larynx."

Actually, they've been removed, and put on display in the Oval Office.
5 posted on 07/23/2013 10:13:41 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: SeekAndFind

Give him some “liquid courage”

He lives on it, anyway.


6 posted on 07/23/2013 10:13:45 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s just beyond stupid. Here, let me spell it out —

You want spending cuts?? Don’t raise the debt ceiling. And then you will get cuts.

This is not a deal. This is not a trade-off. We don’t have the money, so nail the debt ceiling in place and refuse to discuss it — at all. Just focus 100% on the spending cuts.

But Boehner isn’t playing that game, is he? He’s horse-trading. And he stole the horses from us.


7 posted on 07/23/2013 10:20:56 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Like anyone believes the emanations coming from this jerk’s piehole.


8 posted on 07/23/2013 10:21:24 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: stephenjohnbanker; All
"Give him some “liquid courage” "

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9 posted on 07/23/2013 10:22:22 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: SeekAndFind

Shut up, John, you useless jerk.


10 posted on 07/23/2013 10:22:25 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yawn. We’ve been here before. Boehner’s dancing down his “Pathway to Capitulation.”


11 posted on 07/23/2013 10:26:04 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: SeekAndFind

heeeer’s “do it in chunks” johnny again.

just defund obamacare johnny. that’s all you’ve ever needed to do. oh, how i wish republicans would ditch this guy.


12 posted on 07/23/2013 10:35:35 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: SeekAndFind
Maybe Boehner didn't catch the news release from last week that, Secretary of the Treasury Lew ,
had authorized another 51.8 billion in Federal debt.

I sure am glad that Congress is 'in charge' (?)
..or am I wrong ?

13 posted on 07/23/2013 10:36:42 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind
I thought the new treasury secretary already raised this debt limit under the cover of darkness last week???

Maybe it wasnt the treasury sec ... but I know I read something last week on the debt limit increasing like $51 billion.

14 posted on 07/23/2013 10:39:59 AM PDT by dartuser
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To: SeekAndFind

Boehner go have another drink and just shut up. You will give this administration anything it wants. You have already.

You and your ilk are worse than pond scum.


15 posted on 07/23/2013 10:40:37 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: SeekAndFind

According to recent news items, the ‘Rats have figured out how to spend us to oblivion without a debt ceiling increase. Just raid various other accounts. The next president, if there should ever be another one, can deal with the financial mess...


16 posted on 07/23/2013 10:40:46 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: SeekAndFind

different verse
same as the first!


17 posted on 07/23/2013 10:42:49 AM PDT by Leofl (I'm from Texas, we don't dial 9-11)
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To: Hoodat

Can’t this fool be recalled or impeached from his *leadership* position?


18 posted on 07/23/2013 10:45:35 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have had two GOP/REP calls today for contributions. Here is what I said,
“Not one more red cent of mine, to anyone associated with Republicans until the criminal Eric Holder is gone”. I used to avoid these nuisance calls, now I relish them!


19 posted on 07/23/2013 10:46:58 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: SeekAndFind

If this gets done, this time the House better name the cuts instead of letting the whiteyhut turn it into a PR stunt.


20 posted on 07/23/2013 10:55:08 AM PDT by X-spurt (I'm copywriting creepy ass cracker, send royalties to BR549)
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To: SeekAndFind
according to John Boehner

Some jokes just write themselves, like anybody takes this bastard seriously.

21 posted on 07/23/2013 10:55:49 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz......Nuff said.)
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To: SeekAndFind

re: ““we’re not going to raise the debt ceiling without real cuts in spending. It’s as simple as that.””

How about we cut the spending, then we won’t have to raise the debt ceiling??


22 posted on 07/23/2013 10:57:19 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: Hoodat

Boehner and everyone else who pays attention knows the debt ceiling will be raised and there will be no cuts. He’s banking on the fact that nobody is paying attention and wants to be on record saying this. He does it every time. Often he’s described as having caved. That’s not true.


23 posted on 07/23/2013 10:59:51 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SeekAndFind
if one wants to know what the Bonehead, just like the obozo hussein, the Clintons and most democrats, are going to do, expect what they plan to do to be the exact opposite of what they say. It's a sure bet.
24 posted on 07/23/2013 11:01:09 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: SeekAndFind

Unfortunately, even the good guys in congress don’t seem to grasp the extreme cuts needed to restore our republic. It reminds me of someone tipping a waitress 2 cents on a $100 meal.

We need significant, painful cuts. No pain, no gain.


25 posted on 07/23/2013 11:03:27 AM PDT by ChristySue
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To: PowderMonkey

That would only be true if the stuff that’s happening isn’t what he wants. Since the growth of government, the propping up of the ruling class, and destruction of America is his goal, his fortitude isn’t in question. We need to understand that. The Republicans aren’t stupid, being run over, outmaneuvered, or spineless. They’re complicit. They want what’s happening as much as the Rats do.


26 posted on 07/23/2013 11:06:46 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

Agree.


27 posted on 07/23/2013 11:08:22 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: SeekAndFind

Resign Boner, you worthless piece of whale dung.


28 posted on 07/23/2013 11:30:50 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: SeekAndFind

At least until you work out a backroom deal and cave again... huh mister boehner?


29 posted on 07/23/2013 12:17:45 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m not holding my breath.


30 posted on 07/23/2013 12:43:10 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks SeekAndFind.


31 posted on 07/23/2013 9:06:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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