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6 Ways to Tell if You’re Middle Class
ABC News ^ | July 23, 2013 | by Andrew Springer

Posted on 07/23/2013 8:53:14 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

What does “middle class” mean? President Obama is set to make a speech tomorrow where he’ll try to turn attention back to the economy and the middle class. But there’s a big problem… there’s no set definition of what the middle class is.

President Obama has given his definition of the middle class from time to time–a “basic bargain” that is eroding. “You could have some confidence that if you gave it your all, you’d take enough home to raise your family and send your kids to school and have your health care covered, put a little away for retirement,” he said in December 2011.

We’ve put together a list to help you figure out:

1. You make more than $32,900 a year.

2. You make less than $64,000 a year.

3. You’re likely to say you’re middle class, even if you make more (or less) money than that.

4. You probably think it’s hard to make ends meet.

5. Having a secure job is probably the more important to you than owning a home.

6. You may not always be in the middle class.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: classwarfare; failure; marxism; obama
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Karl Marx is happy in hell.
1 posted on 07/23/2013 8:53:14 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

60, mortgage, still working.....= middle class


2 posted on 07/23/2013 8:55:39 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

People in that list clasification are poor!


3 posted on 07/23/2013 8:56:00 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Karl Marx HATED the middle class. Using Marx's ideas to help the middle class is like using Hitler's ideas to help the Jews.
4 posted on 07/23/2013 9:00:53 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Sybrina Fulton (the late Trayvon Martin’s birth mother) makes $69,000 a year as a bureaucrat, plus the money she has garnered since Traydmark died. Classify her.


5 posted on 07/23/2013 9:03:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: Tzimisce

Bingo! And so does Obama. His idea to help the middle class is to reduce them/us to poverty so they/we will become among the “noble” poor. And, this traces back to Rousseau’s “noble savage”. . . where he wants us all to be. The whole movement was a backlash against the rise of the tradesman as the aristocracy declined. Check out my latest blog entry explaining it: www.backyardfence.wordpress.com


6 posted on 07/23/2013 9:06:55 PM PDT by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

That’s a rather narrow definition. Of course ABC would run with it.


7 posted on 07/23/2013 9:07:38 PM PDT by Shadow44
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Less than $64k? I guess anyone over is rich according to them.


8 posted on 07/23/2013 9:12:13 PM PDT by MNDude (The system worked!)
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I guess that would make Obama extremely wealthy and very angry at himself.../s


9 posted on 07/23/2013 9:15:04 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
2. You make less than $64,000 a year.

Hm...does that include benefits? If it does, than by that definition I make too much to be middle class.

10 posted on 07/23/2013 9:17:16 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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Yet the middle class keeps voting for Marxism...


11 posted on 07/23/2013 9:30:23 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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“as the aristocracy declined.”

Bring back the aristocracy! Stop hating the rich! Nobody complained in 1960 that JFK was one of the richest men in America; adjusted for inflation he and Mitt Romney would probably be about equally wealthy. Yet Romney was ridiculed...Screw those American Communists!


12 posted on 07/23/2013 9:32:05 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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I don’t think Frankie D was a piker by any stretch of the imagination either .


13 posted on 07/23/2013 9:40:37 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (If global warming exists I hope it is strong enough to reverse the Big Government snowball)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
There was a set definition of he middle class. The whole notion of class levels is, of course, British. In the USofA classes as such don't exist. In England there are properly only two Classes. The Upper Class is the titled nobles, either by inheritance or by assignation by the Monarch (actually by the party in power in parliament. All other folks from olden times are Commoners. The rising business and property owning but non titled parvenus inserted themselves into the system and came to be the Middle Class which was really a division of Commoners. Middle Class is also deemed to include private farmers- small and large freeholders who owned the land they farmed. Everyone who labors or clerks for a living, who works for someone else, and those who lay about and don't work and don't have patents of nobility to justify their idleness are Lower Class or Commoners.

In the old Class System with a Middle Class grafted in, there are many Middle Class folks who are wealthier than most or all of the Upper Class because class definition is not by wealth. In the USA we try to pull that class blanket inappropriately over ourselves but the edges are nonexistent and it doesn't really fit. It is based on relative wealth and almost everyone claims to be Middle Class.

14 posted on 07/23/2013 10:01:20 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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That is a horrible list, # 6 is not a reason like the others.


15 posted on 07/23/2013 10:31:55 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: arthurus
I'm amazed that you think there are no social classes in the US, as there are in the UK. It's our dirty little secret, but there are indeed social classes here, and probably more of them, mixed more confusingly, than there are in the UK. In that respect social mobility between classes is less than people think, even if we have great economic mobility. For questions consult Paul Fussell's book Class. It's hilarious, and hardly anyone can read it without alternately laughing and wincing.
16 posted on 07/23/2013 11:03:11 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This stupid list equates middle class with middle income. But income level isn’t the same as social class. Social class is a combination of interests, tastes, values, education level, experiences, goals, values, and beliefs. Those things survive fluctuations in income level.

In other words, the parents of the Duchess of Cambridge, the Middletons, are stubbornly middle-class even though they’re rich through their own hard work. The inner-city dweller who wins the lottery is still going to look like, speak like, act like, and share the values of the lower class, and money won’t change that. The aristocrat who lost everything, as so many did during the World Wars, is still going to dress, speak, present himself, and behave like an aristocrat; he will have the beliefs and attitudes of the aristocracy and anyone who meets him will see that.


17 posted on 07/23/2013 11:14:24 PM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare)
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Less than $64k? I guess anyone over is rich according to them.

Not just rich, EVIL rich. Having unfairly amassed that money on the backs of those who do make less than $64k.

18 posted on 07/24/2013 12:01:11 AM PDT by Washi
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To: ottbmare

It is here hardly a Class System. There is no stratification but only a gradient. There is no line above which is one class and below which is another. The only anomaly to that is the LBJ Welfare Class which is trapped by the lack of education available to it and by the welfare payments that are so zealously promoted by the Democrats and maintained by the Republicans.


19 posted on 07/24/2013 12:57:45 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Since they define “middle class” as having income between the 30th and 70th percentile, then they are making it impossible for more than 40% of the population to ever be middle class. I think they have taken the “middle” in “middle class” too literally. I think a better definition would involve having a good job, a good home, etc., regardless of how it compares to everyone else.


20 posted on 07/24/2013 1:48:11 AM PDT by grundle
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