Posted on 07/29/2013 5:33:38 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
“”If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” Francis asked. “
Wow! A Methodist/Presbyterian Pope!
The Church doesn’t recognize “homosexuals,” as popularly understood, but rather as people who are tempted toward acts of homosexuality, just as there exist people who are disposed toward alcoholism, etc.
There may be an equivocation here, then, since the pope and media are likely using the term in different senses.
I didn't say he could. Did you not read my post?
So, are you tellng me that no Pope ever has changed anything relating to faith and morals? Or are you saying this is a special thing that can't be changed?
The Woman Who Rides the Beast.
The gay lobby
“There is so much being written about the gay lobby. I haven’t met anyone in the Vatican yet who has “gay” written on their identity cards. There is a distinction between being gay, being this way inclined and lobbying. Lobbies are not good. If a gay person is in eager search of God, who am I to judge them? The Catholic Church teaches that gay people should not be discriminated against; they should be made to feel welcome. Being gay is not the problem, lobbying is the problem and this goes for any type of lobby, business lobbies, political lobbies and Masonic lobbies.”
There you have it..being Gay is okay..you just can’t lobby.
if you speak italian
La lobby gay
«Si scrive tanto della lobby gay. Io finora non ho trovato in Vaticano chi ha scritto “gay” sulla carta d’identità. Bisogna distinguere tra l’essere gay, avere questa tendenza, e fare lobby. Le lobby, tutte le lobby, non sono buone. Se una persona è gay e cerca il Signore con buona volontà, chi sono io per giudicarlo? Il Catechismo della Chiesa cattolica insegna che le persone gay non si devono discriminare, ma si devono accogliere. Il problema non è avere questa tendenza, il problema è fare lobby e questo vale per questo come per le lobby d’affari, le lobby politiche, le lobby massoniche».
spanish
El lobby gay
Se escribe mucho sobre el “lobby gay”. Yo, hasta ahora, no he encontrado en el Vaticano a nadie que haya escrito “gay” en su documento de identidad. Hay que distinguir entre ser gay, tener esta tendencia, y hacer “lobby”. Los “lobby” todos, no son cosas buenas. Si una persona es gay y busca al Señor con buena voluntad, ¡¿quién soy yo para juzgarlo?! El Catecismo de la Iglesia católica enseña que no hay que discriminar, sino acoger. El problema no es tener esta tendencia, el problema es hacer grupos, y esto vale tanto para los “lobbies” de negocios, políticos o masónicos.
Ah, it’s 4 pages of Q&A. Did you have a point?
I think we should wait for more clarification by the Pope. There’s something odd about this quote, I think.
Yeah, it’s the Vatican Insider. It’s okay to be Gay..just not lobby according to the Pope
That was my first thought. My second was, sodomy as well as evil are rising up everywhere on the earth and the Pope should take a stand.
It appears he stood and said, I wont judge the homo.
The full interview is a little more nuanced.
My take... a homosexual’s sins are just as forgivable as mine as a heterosexual.
He went on to compare being a member of a ‘gay lobby’ and being a member of a ‘Masonic lobby.’
Being a member of a Mason group calls for automatic excommunication.
But what if that person doesn't believe their homosexuality is a sin?
Thankfully Pope Benedict did a LOT of housecleaning.
Plus the number of priests who abuse is really very, very small. There are more in other professions who have been abusive.
that’s exactly what he did...of course, I understand him...in saying it’s not up to him to judge..it’s up to God.
but I am not Catholic..I can understand why catholics might be upset
To the MSM, this translates into "The Catholic Church changes views on homosexuality". In reality, nothing has changed. Fornication is still considered a sin ... gay or straight. That will never change. The key words in the pope's comment are "and he searches for the Lord and has good will". This sounds as if he's talking about repentant gays searching to do God's will instead of their own.
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