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In a bizarre and ludicrous attempt at “transparency,” the Obama administration has announced that it asked a secret court to approve a secret order to allow the government to keep spying on millions of Americans, and the secret court has granted its request.

And I understand they have a "secret interpretation" of the law.

As the article says:

We now live in a society in which a person can be accused of any number of crimes without knowing what exactly he has done. He might be apprehended in the middle of the night by a roving band of SWAT police. He might find himself on a no-fly list, unable to travel for reasons undisclosed. He might have his phones or internet tapped based upon a secret order handed down by a secret court, with no recourse to discover why he was targeted. Indeed, this is Kafka’s nightmare, and it is slowly becoming America’s reality.

1 posted on 07/30/2013 10:19:10 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins

Perhaps the citizens should convene a “secret grand jury” and a “secret court” to try Hussein and Hillary on charges of TREASON in the Benghazi matter.


2 posted on 07/30/2013 10:25:58 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (A Quiet Rage is Building All Across America!)
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To: xzins
The federal government jealously guards its power over us. It will not easily relinquish the power it has gained over us, for it is now a powerful, living entity all on its own.

Instead of the government living in fear of the people and thus always doing their bidding, it is now powerful enough that we must fear it and do it's bidding, or fear the consequences of IRS audit, FBI investigation, and the government's propaganda arm (the "news" media) spreading gossip info about you (true or not, they don't care).

3 posted on 07/30/2013 10:32:54 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: xzins

Tell the idiots who defend this system ONE thing. The Muslims won!


4 posted on 07/30/2013 10:36:37 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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[And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like
if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been
uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or
if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested
a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling
with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase,
but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the
downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or
whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps
were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that
you’d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out
there on the street with one lonely chauffeur—what if it had been driven off or its
tires spiked? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers
and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would
have ground to a halt!

THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO - Chapter 1, PAGE 14 - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


6 posted on 07/30/2013 11:03:40 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: xzins

Go to liberal sites, and you’ll surprisingly find they’re in tune with the right on several issues. The NSA surveillance state is one of those instances.

My own representative, Tom Cole (R), voted against the Amash amendment which would have stopped NSA domestic surveillance. Rep. Cole is a reliable vote for the GOPe, but the important point is our leaders in D.C., both Republicans and Democrats, have zero respect for the US Constitution.

4th Amendment: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

It doesn’t take a legal expert to realize the US Constitution was written to limit the federal government, not We the People. The 4th is exceptionally clear, but if there’s doubt, that doubt has to go to the side of restricting government.

I think this is one of those issues where both liberals and conservatives can agree. People need to understand the technologies, both hardware and software, are rapidly being created that can track virtually every last aspect of life, from your genetic makeup to everywhere you go. They’ll soon know if you adjust your thermostat a degree lower in the Summer. Seriously.

There’s plenty of computer processing power available to constantly collect and sift data on every last American. Most of it doesn’t even require human interaction any more. A human only needs to make sure the programs are kept running.

Exceed the speed limit occasionally? Plan on getting fined. Roll through a stop sign once in awhile? Pay some more. Eat fast food more often than you should? Watch your insurance rates rise or be denied a medical procedure. Run your thermostat too low? Pay a premium on your electric bill. All of this is entirely possible if we don’t nip this domestic surveillance crap in the bud.


9 posted on 07/30/2013 11:22:57 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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This is my secret terrorist al Qaeda inspired wmd ricin laced pressure cooker mass casualty BASSELOPE:

(Everyone say "FU!" to the NSA!)


10 posted on 07/30/2013 11:24:01 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (The Tipline for Zimmerman's Inquisition is: Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov ... Use it.)
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I’ve not heard _one_ major blogger or news system report the most relevent problem with USG/NSA spying:

If elements of USgov. have everything all citizens have expressed upon the Internet&phone lines, this would include the law enforcement (FBI,CIA,local) personnel, agency officers (EPA,State and other Depts.), govenors, judges and congressmen. This clearly enables parts of USgov to control via blackmail etc., others in and out of gov:

Maybe key legislative votes and key judicial decisions are bent this way...
Maybe top generals and high level officials are forced to resign, lie or retire this way...
Maybe top law enforcement is told to stop looking for criminals in high places...


13 posted on 07/30/2013 11:42:44 AM PDT by veracious
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To: xzins
What is more concerning than the legal power is the physical infrastructure. The law can simply be ignored. One then does not need to worry about FISA and can go on with the business of political extortion and harassment.

The Fourth Amendment guarantees my house, papers, and effects, will be secure against unreasonable searches and seizures. The argument has been made that the government has not violated the Fourth Amendment by "merely" recording a conversation until someone has listened to it. Yet that conversation is private, it is something that belongs to the two people in the conversation, with the communications services paid for by one of them. Taking possession of the contents IS a taking of property every bit as real as entering my home, rifling my file cabinets, and making copies of everything, whether anybody has read them or not.

Hence the mere EXISTENCE of an infrastructure capable of storing every conversation, email, and bank transaction IS a systematic violation of law. The matter of law can simply be ignored, but physical access to the data cannot.

19 posted on 07/30/2013 1:36:38 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indentured constituency for 150 years.)
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And someday in the near future, possibly, secret police. Read about that in recent history of El Salvador.


22 posted on 07/30/2013 3:08:30 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --Deacon in the movie, "Waterworld")
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To: xzins

Another similar article:

For Congress, “It’s Classified” Is New Equivalent Of “None Of Your Business”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3049275/posts

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/30/198097/for-congress-its-classified-is.html#.UfiNhG3N7-J


23 posted on 07/30/2013 9:11:58 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: xzins

Interesting article.

I did a little research and unlike the ACLU, the Rutherford Institute seems to defend the entire bill of rights - 2nd amendment and all.


24 posted on 07/31/2013 3:29:03 AM PDT by LoneStarC
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