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Cigarettes Can Kill: Florida Deputies Shoot Man Looking for a Smoke in His Own Driveway
Reason ^ | Jul. 29, 2013 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 07/30/2013 3:37:37 PM PDT by neverdem

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41 posted on 07/30/2013 5:23:43 PM PDT by BlueDragon (if wishes were fishes it would be a stinky world)
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To: neverdem

These deputies were not on the ball. At 2:42am, unless the vehicle was strongly illuminated, which is unlikely, a typical police approach would be to shine their bright flashlights on him, announce that they are the police, and that he should *not* move.

If he is rummaging around in a car, even if he was holding a gun, he is at a distinct disadvantage.

Police should not have said “Keep your hands where we can see them”, unless he was *seated* in the front seat where he could put his hands on the steering wheel or front dash.

You see the advantage of ordering him to freeze?

At that point he should have blurted out his business, and that this is his home, and the car is his mother’s car.

In any event, these cops need to be sent back to the minors for some seasoning.


42 posted on 07/30/2013 5:50:45 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: dinodino
Every officer involved should lose his badge and be cleaned out in a civil suit.

And THAT'S just for not being able to hit a bull in the butt with a base fiddle

Jail time for shooting an innocent civilian.
43 posted on 07/30/2013 5:58:39 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Right Wing Assault

>>Nest time this guy wants to go look in the car at night, he is going to have to call the cops first and let them know the address, the time he expects to be outside, and what clothing he is going to wear.

All of which would never get passed on the cops responding to the call anyway.


44 posted on 07/30/2013 6:00:50 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: House Atreides

THEY shoot somebody, they get three days to sort their story out.

YOU shoot somebody, you’re in the box until you confess.


45 posted on 07/30/2013 6:06:35 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Support Free Republic!)
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To: neverdem

More Pig violence. These people should lose their jobs and pensions.


46 posted on 07/30/2013 6:51:07 PM PDT by gotribe (Vladimir Putin is MY President)
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To: neverdem

Time to go back to the old standard for LEOs: No shooting at ANYONE unless they shoot at you first. Period.


47 posted on 07/30/2013 7:04:46 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: neverdem
Florida deputies have been placed on paid administrative leave

Woo! paid vacation time, in Florida.

48 posted on 07/30/2013 7:17:35 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools - Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I’m one or two counties east of Escambia,
depending on which of my properties I’m
visiting. The Escambia Cty sheriff is one of
the better ones and I would bet money these
deputies are toast for their current employment.

Dang if I can recall his name. Morgan I think.

Next sheriff east, Wendall Hall, outstanding.

Next sheriff east Ashley, scary self promoting
politician.

Time will tell where the good deputies will be employed
next. I’m guessing some small Alabama city.


49 posted on 07/30/2013 8:26:44 PM PDT by theneanderthal
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

In any event, these cops need to be sent back to the minors for some seasoning.


Better a public viewing of the ‘Hempen Jig’ in 2:2 time.


50 posted on 07/30/2013 8:47:04 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for wood chipper...........ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS! It's the Law.)
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To: neverdem

Thank goodness the man didnt have a dog.


51 posted on 07/31/2013 3:17:49 AM PDT by bikerman (Obama! if his lips are moving he's lying.)
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To: bikerman

Maybe he should have sent the dog out to fetch the cigarettes.


52 posted on 07/31/2013 3:53:14 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: S.O.S121.500

Well, fair is fair. In this case, at first they were doing what they were supposed to be doing. And I will admit, chasing possibly armed burglars at 2am would tend to make a lot of people jumpy.

Their errors were tactical ones, and being trigger happy. This shows less malevolence than just poor training and lack of experience.

Before the mid-1970s, police were trained with “Old West”-style tactics, which are a lot calmer, and guns are used with the assumption that if a policeman takes his out of his holster, somebody is going to be shot.

This was replaced with “SWAT”-style tactics, that has gotten a lot more people wounded and killed, including police officers. It has the concept that guns are used to establish dominance and control, which is a fundamentally flawed idea, and violates the old rule that “Guns cannot make a bad situation better, but they can make an okay situation worse.”

Police soon realized that brandishing a gun often is of no help at all, because guns only have three modes: holstered, brandished, and firing (and the forth mode, dropping it or having it taken away from you). This is not enough to deal with most situations, which is why many police adore Tasers, because they give the them more alternatives.

So, all told, in this particular case, the police department needs to pay the wounded man a big settlement, then send the two cops to get some better training under a senior cop with years of experience under his belt.


53 posted on 07/31/2013 7:07:52 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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