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Coburn: Shutdown won't stop ObamaCare
The Hill ^ | 07/30/13 02:24 PM ET | By Sam Baker

Posted on 07/30/2013 4:29:48 PM PDT by onyx

Shutting down the federal government would not stop the Obama administration from implementing its signature healthcare law, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) said Tuesday.

Coburn has been sharply critical of the effort to force a government shutdown over ObamaCare funding. He released a Congressional Research Service (CRS) report Tuesday that said such a move would not actually stop the administration from implementing the healthcare law.

"The memo reveals that if government were shut down, funding for Obamacare would still continue," Coburn's office said in a summary. "In other words, shutting down the federal government does not shut down Obamacare."

The CRS report notes that much of the administration's implementation funding comes from the Affordable Care Act (ACA) itself — not from the spending bills some conservatives are threatening to defeat.

"It appears that substantial ACA implementation might continue during a lapse in annual appropriations that resulted in a temporary government shutdown," the CRS said.

Congress has already denied the administration's requests for more money to help implement the healthcare law, forcing the Health and Human Services Department (HHS) to scrape together funding from other accounts. HHS could keep piecing together funding during a shutdown, according to the CRS.

"It seems likely that the Administration will continue to rely on alternative sources of funding to support ACA implementation activities," the report states.

Shutting down the federal government would stop the IRS from collecting the law's taxes and penalties, and people subject to the individual mandate would still accrue fines for the time they spent uninsured during a shutdown, the report said.

Coburn is among the Senate Republicans who have pushed back strongly against efforts to shut down the government unless a bill to keep it open defunds ObamaCare.

"I’ve been here when we’ve done that, and it’s not a strategy that works," Coburn told The Washington Post. "This is misleading the conservative base because it’s not achievable, and all it will do in the long run is dispirit the base. This is a failed strategy for conservatives."

Sens. Mike Lee (R-Utah), Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) have spearheaded a push to possibly shut down the government. They say conservatives should refuse to support a bill to keep the government open unless it also defunds ObamaCare.


— This post was updated at 3:41 p.m.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: abortion; coburn; deathpanels; defundobamacare; nomorerinos; obamacare; oklahoma; randsconcerntrolls; tomcoburn; zerocare

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1 posted on 07/30/2013 4:29:48 PM PDT by onyx
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To: onyx

These traitors just dance around the head of a pin. Attach a simple amendment to a larger bill defunding all of obamacare funding. Mark Levin laid it out last night. The when we have the majority we repeal obamacare. This is just sleight of hand by the gop/e.


2 posted on 07/30/2013 4:33:15 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: onyx
Coburn is right. This communists black pig cannot be stopped. America is finished.
3 posted on 07/30/2013 4:36:02 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: LibLieSlayer

Ugh Coburn is really pissing me off.


5 posted on 07/30/2013 4:36:17 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: onyx

Congress can defund anything they want. What is Coburn smoking?


6 posted on 07/30/2013 4:36:20 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Exactly. Shut down 0bamafraud by defunding it. The rest of the budget is addressed separately. It will be difficult if not impossible to excise the cancer once it fully kicks in next year.


7 posted on 07/30/2013 4:47:33 PM PDT by windsorknot (>>>)
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To: onyx
Senator Ted Cruz:
Let’s See if Obama Is Willing To Shut Down The Government To Fund Obamacare

8 posted on 07/30/2013 4:51:58 PM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: onyx

Are we all missing how the GOP has completely turned against us? The question is, will we be lemmings.

Cruz is the ONLY bright spot. Now there’s a leader.


9 posted on 07/30/2013 4:54:00 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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DEFUND NOW then REPEAL!

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10 posted on 07/30/2013 4:56:07 PM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: RedMDer

It would be a PR bonanza for Obama. By the time his machine and the MSM got through with the Republicans the’red be be nothing left. Say hello to speaker Pelosi.


11 posted on 07/30/2013 4:57:11 PM PDT by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: onyx
Ok, so then the list is:

Defund obamacare

Primary this decrepit RINO out of office.

12 posted on 07/30/2013 4:58:23 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Sadly, we are never going to have the majority. That ship has sailed.


13 posted on 07/30/2013 4:59:28 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Blackirish

What isn’t a PR bonanza for Obama?


14 posted on 07/30/2013 4:59:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Blackirish

So I guess we just lay down and give up then. No. We get the real truth out before it is too late.

The truth is that everything else would be funded and if Obama wants to shut down the government only for Obamacare. Let him do it.


15 posted on 07/30/2013 5:11:12 PM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: onyx
Shut the mother down. Shut it DOWN. We'll live. You, Cornyn.......
16 posted on 07/30/2013 5:19:29 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: onyx

The GOP is dead. Game, set and match to the Marxist.


17 posted on 07/30/2013 5:23:30 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: onyx

18 posted on 07/30/2013 5:27:20 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Blackirish

Implement all of 0bamacare immediately. People need to feel the heat to see the light. Or to use another metaphor - the sooner the train wrecks, the sooner we can clear the tracks.


19 posted on 07/30/2013 5:28:06 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: combat_boots

Heh. Except don’t suppositories come in a different type of package!?


20 posted on 07/30/2013 5:31:22 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: 21twelve

OK, shut it down anyway. The GOP has the votes in the House to shut it down permanently. Just do it.


21 posted on 07/30/2013 5:33:52 PM PDT by huckfillary (qual tyo ta)
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To: RedMDer

Obamecare is going to be a wreck. Let the dems own it. If your opponents on fire stand back. Shutting down the government would be lighting ourselves on fire.


22 posted on 07/30/2013 5:34:37 PM PDT by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Blackirish
It would be a PR bonanza for Obama. By the time his machine and the MSM got through with the Republicans the’red be be nothing left. Say hello to speaker Pelosi.

No.

If the Repubs can be falsely blamed for the shutdown then they could be falsely blamed for anything.

It's time to stand up for the truth and let the chips fall where they may....or say hello to certain defeat.

23 posted on 07/30/2013 5:45:06 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: onyx

I am confused.

If obumbler is going to fund obumbler care through the Affordable Care Act, then why can’t the house defund the Affordable Care Act, what ever that is.

The conservatives have two courses of action open to them.

One is to defund everything that could be used to stop obumbler care.

The other is to force through the courts the immediate implementation of obumbler care. If the dims refuse, then the house needs to get the courts to declare the entire act null and void because the law was not written with the inclusion of a severability clause.


24 posted on 07/30/2013 6:11:58 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon

Old C you are right about de-funding. Why not defund HHS if that’s where the money comes from?

Option 3 for conservatives: Leave the GOP. Let it die. Build a new party based on principles. Lose for a while, but it can’t get any worse.


25 posted on 07/30/2013 6:27:12 PM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: cripplecreek

“What isn’t a PR bonanza for Obama?”

Obama could go on TV, take a dump on the original copy of the Constitution, wipe himself with an American flag and the press, plus half of our population would be amused.

That said, we conservatives must still fight for values and what is right. Start by giving up on the RINOs and the RNC.


26 posted on 07/30/2013 8:15:09 PM PDT by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Obamacare was deemed a tax, taxes can be repealed.


27 posted on 07/31/2013 2:09:43 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Yes but they cannot pass it through the Senate and they cannot override a veto so we must defund it and then repeal it when we have the numbers. It is the only way or we will be stuck with it... rats created it and rinos enforced it. Cruz says we have 60 days and then it is permananet.

LLS


28 posted on 07/31/2013 4:25:35 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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