Posted on 07/31/2013 4:47:38 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;""I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786
"First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians..."
--Martin Luther, "On the Jews and Their Lies"
Hm, that's funny: I never ascribed infallibility to Luther. But here's what Jesus said should be done:
From Luke 6:Now, since you are trying to equate Luther (whom I never claimed infallible) with Christianity, reconcile to his statements these words of Jesus.
27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
[Now, since you are trying to equate Luther (whom I never claimed infallible) with Christianity,]
Luther equated Luther with Christianity, super-genius - and he no more represented those words attributed to Jesus than vociferous gas-bags like you and the pharisees did or do.
FAIL, NO SALE.
>>Hm, that’s funny: I never ascribed infallibility to Luther.
Nobody said you did.
Got any more straw?
Apparently you need me to flat-out say it: Luther was fallible, I don't believe his sentiment to be indicative of the church in general. This is to say, I believe him to be wrong here.
and he no more represented those words attributed to Jesus than vociferous gas-bags like you and the pharisees did or do.
Ah, so I'm a gas-bag? Why do you say this?
Then why are you making the argument with the implication built in?
I believe you are producing enough strawmen here.
LOL. You’re confused, and evidently lack the reading comprehension skills to see when two of your quotes are responded to separately in a single post.
And every keystroke you make further illustrates Jefferson’s point.
I think I’ll just pray for you instead.
>>This is to say, I believe him to be wrong here.
Well evidently the “christian” folks who took Luther’s words to heart and reiterated that sentiment in Mein Kampf (and der sheeple who acted upon those thoughts) believed otherwise.
This is to say, your regurgitive parroting is irrelevant and emasculated by the historical record.
And many, many of the people who helped Jews escape the Holocaust were Christian.
From this article:
Also within a year of the Nazis taking power, The Twenty-Five Theses of the German Religion, a conscious modeling of the twenty-five points of the Nazi program, was published in Germany. Thesis XV of that Nazi publication states:Without a fallen world there is no need of a savior, and that destroys the necessity of a savior."The Ethic of the German Religion condemns all belief in inherited sin, as well as the Jewish-Christian teaching of a fallen world. Such a teaching is not only non-Germanic and non-German, it is immoral and nonreligious. Whoever preaches this menaces the morality of the people."
There is no way that the NAZI philosophy is Christian.
>>You know not of what you speak.
See, there you go again - illustrating Jefferson’s point.
Your selective memory and wishful thinking cannot unexist the impact Luther’s “christianity” had upon leading the fiery-minded McSheeple into building MeinKampf’s fiery ovens.
FAIL
So what you're saying is that even if there's a christian who says/does something stupid, and others use that to try to justify their own actions, that's Christianity's fault?
That's moronic.
Seriously moronic.
Stupid, agenda driven, and so ridiculously wrong it hurts to read your posts. They are really that stupid. Go back to the pit you came from.
No super-genius, that’s Religion’s fault.
Except that the religion in question, Christianity, says the exact opposite.
Your argument would be like saying that because she's a Republican she's a lying, double-dealing, socialist, statist just like Romney, because he's a republican too. — actually, this one makes even more sense than your moronic drivel because they directly share party-affiliation.
[Except that the religion in question, Christianity, says the exact opposite.]
Whose version exactly — Yours, Luther’s, Vernon Howell’s, Jose Smith’s?
Or maybe one of the more original implementations documented by Albert Pike & Co.... in the temple 1 mile North of the White Hut.
http://www.google.com/#bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&fp=bbbf6ab58350d459&q=morals+and+dogma+pdf
NO SALE
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