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[TArcher]

 

>>That seems like denying the power of God to change people.

 

Nope.  Just recognizing the  fallible and uninspired nature of those who assume dominion over the faith of others - usualy whilst perched upon the temple steps. 

"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;

 

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 that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them. "

 

"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"

--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786

http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/vaact.html

 

[TArcher]

http://www.google.com/search?q=Osiris+Christ

Egyptian mythology is what it is...

“I am the way the Truth and the life”

...and the rendering of that Truth belongs in the heart and free mind of the Individual — not within the purview of a flock of fallible and uninspired parrots selling their wares whilst nailed to the perch upon state-established temple steps.

[OneWingedShark]

Egyptian mythology is what it is...
“I am the way the Truth and the life”
...and the rendering of that Truth belongs in the heart and free mind of the Individual — not within the purview of a flock of fallible and uninspired parrots selling their wares whilst nailed to the perch upon state-established temple steps.

I think you completely missed my point. Consider this: Slavery is now officially/technically illegal in every country — Christianity did this, because Jesus is all about changing the heart of people. (This doesn't mean that slavery really is eradicated, or that there aren't people who wish to have slaves, but like Death the institution is defeated.)

[TArcher]

[Consider this: Slavery is now officially/technically illegal in every country ]

Who was changing the heart of the pre-civilwar xian South?

Or Serbia, or Saudi Arabia — or any of the other plethora of cultures where human trafficking is very much alive, despite their alleged adherence to whatever the religious doctrine dejure happens to be.

Furthermore, seems to me that man-made religious concoctions are among the “created things” the Creator furrows his brow enough over that, as per Romans 1:25+, “because of this, God gave them over”.

Seems maybe you’ve confused religion for the spirituality manifested between the Individual and their gracious Creator.

NO SALE

[OneWingedShark]

Who was changing the heart of the pre-civilwar xian South?

I'm sure there were people working on it. Or, do you maintain that the civil war was a must to abolish slavery?
Moreover, if you do, how do you explain the British eliminating slavery w/o civil war?

Or Serbia, or Saudi Arabia — or any of the other plethora of cultures where human trafficking is very much alive, despite their alleged adherence to whatever the religious doctrine dejure happens to be.

Yes, that's why I said technically illegal. And what you cite is much more indicative of a heart issue; I never said that God's kingdom had completely displaced things here, but it will: eventually.

Furthermore, seems to me that man-made religious concoctions are among the “created things” the Creator furrows his brow enough over that, as per Romans 1:25+, “because of this, God gave them over”.

Now, now God's revealed what real, acceptable religion is: Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world. (James 1:27)

Seems maybe you’ve confused religion for the spirituality manifested between the Individual and their gracious Creator.

No, I was pointing out that the result of God's influence in the world [through his church and spirit] is that slavery-as-an-institution is dead. Or would you care to show where, as an institution, it thrives in the open?

[BunnySlippers]

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[TArcher]

>>I’m sure there were people working on it.

Gods and Generals - Lee and Grant both believed theirs was on their side.

FAIL

>>how do you explain the British eliminating slavery w/o civil war?

LOL. The same British with the thriving Opium trade — Those British?

Evidently the Kaisar/Ceasar/Tzar/King’s MYSTERYous cronies figured out it was cheaper and more profitable to just addict the slaves instead of owning them.

NO SALE

[OneWingedShark]

>>I’m sure there were people working on it.
> Gods and Generals - Lee and Grant both believed theirs was on their side.
> FAIL

What does two men's beliefs have to do with whether or not people were working, in the south, to end slavery? It doesn't.
Moreover, our belief doesn't change the fact: an atheist believes there is no god, a monotheist believes there is a God; and the fact of the mater is not altered one way or the other.
FAIL

>> how do you explain the British eliminating slavery w/o civil war?
> LOL. The same British with the thriving Opium trade — Those British?

Again, you're shifting the target; slavery is not legal in any country and it is because of the impact of Christianity in the world. Period.

Evidently the Kaisar/Ceasar/Tzar/King’s MYSTERYous cronies figured out it was cheaper and more profitable to just addict the slaves instead of owning them.

So, what are you addicted to?

[TArcher]

>>Again, you’re shifting the target

To reality-land:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/world/asia/afghanistan-opium-production-increases-for-3rd-year.html?_r=0

>>So, what are you addicted to?

FReedom

And it’s not for sale, trade, or pacification upon your fallible and uninspired temple steps.

[OneWingedShark]

>>So, what are you addicted to?
>FReedom
>And it’s not for sale, trade, or pacification upon your fallible and uninspired temple steps.

Who said anything about pacification? I think you are hearing things I have not said.

[TArcher]

There’s lots of things you haven’t said.

Parrots are like that.

NO SALE

[OneWingedShark]

There’s lots of things you haven’t said.

… you're the reason we have shirts that say Do not iron while wearing aren't you?

[TArcher]

Nope.

Never been nailed to the fallible and uninspired perch, either.

[OneWingedShark]

Nope.
Never been nailed to the fallible and uninspired perch, either.

Oh! So you're infallible and inspired? I had no idea I was talking to the pope.
[/sarc]

[TArcher]

Thomas Jefferson wasn’t the pope — but that didn’t prevent him from recognizing the self-evident fallible and uninspired nature of the religious facade, and those who prop it up and parrot it.

[OneWingedShark]

Who’s parroting? I’ve given you one good, solid example of Christianity’s influence changing the world.

[TArcher]

You’re delusional. The “church” of England’s royal inbreds figured out that it was more profitable to enslave people by other means than having them as livestock.

The demise of the overt human livestock trade was brought about by industrial economics, not by some religious epiphany.

[OneWingedShark]

So then, why aren’t you enslaved by these other means?
If it was more cost-effective, that includes the amount of people not subjugated to it.

[TArcher]

Because I have a free mind and I use it.

[OneWingedShark]

Because I have a free mind and I use it.

No, you do not.
You have a knee-jerk reaction that lets you see none of the good that Christianity has done, this blindness indicates a mind that is far from free.

Now, I will grant you that the Church here in America does have problems [read the Book of James], but that is beside the point.