OWS->No, you don't: Marines are Navy, and Air Force could be rolled back int the Army Air Corp.
Good points. I had forgotten that Air Force started as part of Army. The end result is the same however, we preserve our defensive capabilities.
JO->There are also other pieces of defense buried in other agencies (Centers for disease control, national institutes of health are two that come to mind.)
OWS->*shrug* -- Sucks to be them.
These defense agenices need to be moved back into DOD where they belong. These are legitimate Army functions.
JO->But the bottom line is the same. Get the fedgov out of anything not authorized by the Constitution
OWS->Wait, here you are arguing not exactly following the constitution and ending with a “get govt out of things not authorized by the constitution”? That's pretty inconsistent. (Also, if something is really needed and proper to the federal government, then there's no reason not to use a Constitutional amendment.)
I see no inconsistency in maintaining the means to "provide for the common defense"
The provide for the common defense
is the Army and Navy; if these are inadequate then the Constitution should be changed.
The NSA is a good example of defense
and security
winning out over the Constitution, specifically it is an extraconstitutional entity [that is not defined by the constitution] and it behaves like the Constitution has no authority over it, hence the whoesale disregard of the 4th Amendment that's come to light.
My point on strict-consstitutionalism is that it really is a slippery slope to allow things indirectly justified; the FISA court and it's operations are a complete violation of the 6th Amendment, for example. Sure it took 200 years to slide this much now, but if we were to repair/reseat
things we wouldn't want to leave the leaks
.