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Armed agents raid animal shelter for baby deer
WISN.com ^ | 8/1/2013 | Colleen Henry

Posted on 08/01/2013 5:33:56 AM PDT by fteuph

KENOSHA, Wis. —WISN 12 News investigates an operation raising questions about the use of government resources and the state policy that meant a death sentence for a fawn.

"It was like a SWAT team," shelter employee Ray Schulze said.

Two weeks ago, Schulze was working in the barn at the Society of St. Francis on the Kenosha-Illinois border when a swarm of squad cars arrived and officers unloaded with a search warrant.

"(There were) nine DNR agents and four deputy sheriffs, and they were all armed to the teeth," Schulze said.

The focus of their search was a baby fawn brought there by an Illinois family worried she had been abandoned by her mother.

"When it made a little noise, it sounded like it was laughing," Schulze said.

Schulze videotaped the fawn they named Giggles during the two weeks she was there. The Department of Natural Resources began investigating after two anonymous calls reporting a baby deer at the no-kill shelter.

The warden drafted an affidavit for the search warrant, complete with aerial photos in which he described getting himself into a position where he was able to see the fawn going in and out of the barn.

Agents told staff they came to seize the deer because Wisconsin law forbids the possession of wildlife.

"I said the deer is scheduled to go to the wildlife reserve the next day," Schulze said.

Read more: http://www.wisn.com/news/armed-agents-raid-animal-shelter-for-baby-deer/-/9373668/21272108/-/wvh1n7z/-/index.html#ixzz2aifQoR1X

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: animals; donutwatch; fawn; swat; wisconsin
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1 posted on 08/01/2013 5:33:56 AM PDT by fteuph
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To: fteuph

Good thing they were all armed ... it might have come right at them!


2 posted on 08/01/2013 5:38:26 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: fteuph
Society of St. Francis

The name is the problem...

3 posted on 08/01/2013 5:39:24 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: fteuph

Tyranny always looks like this.


4 posted on 08/01/2013 5:43:25 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("See something, say something.")
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To: fteuph
The Department of Natural Resources began investigating after two anonymous calls reporting a baby deer at the no-kill shelter

I wonder how the anonymous caller would have felt if the JBT had managed to kill someone while pulling off their little SWAT fantasy?

Ah, scratch that. Anonymous probably hoped for the worst.

5 posted on 08/01/2013 5:46:54 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: fteuph

Anyone who thinks government is beneficent after reading this needs their head examined.


6 posted on 08/01/2013 5:47:41 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: fteuph

If they government has the time and money to do this then Sequester dod not go NEARLY far enough


7 posted on 08/01/2013 5:51:50 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: fteuph
Here is some backstory that may shed light on the situation. This looks to have been a SWATting by someone who didn't like the shelter director. Maybe even by a news reporter. I don't put anything past the "fourth estate".
8 posted on 08/01/2013 5:52:29 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: fteuph
The word amok was created for situations such as this.
9 posted on 08/01/2013 5:56:02 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: jboot

“Anonymous caller/witness” and “tip from a confidential informant” are both code words for lies they make up to go on their fishing expeditions to get a charge on anotherwise innocent party. Usually a party that they don’t like or jealouse of.


10 posted on 08/01/2013 6:03:46 AM PDT by sport
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To: jboot

The ‘Fourth Estate” is the FIFTH COLUMN!!!


11 posted on 08/01/2013 6:08:52 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: fteuph

Let me get this straight....they arrived en masse, sedated the baby deer, and then took it someplace else, and killed it.

Wondering how much cheaper, and humane it would have been to blood test the little deer first to see if it had any of the nasties they were concerned about.

Seems in our currently leftist dominated bureaucracies the tendency is to swarm it, kill it, and then excuse it after blaming someone else. I notice one of the most important factors in being a Leftist is one must be a major coward.

The reasoning behind not telling the shelter they were coming is an absolute ridiculous joke. Huge difference between the evil of drug dealing, and the humanity, and love of innocent creatures.

My GOD look at the resources these disgusting people used to prepare, and raid that shelter with the intent to kill that baby deer. I say it was a training exersize, and everyone other than government was collateral damage one way, or another. It’s the Leftist way. No respect for other life, or liberty, just for themselves.


12 posted on 08/01/2013 6:14:25 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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The DNR told WISN 12 News despite the allegations outlined in its search warrant, it will file no charges against the shelter.

Gee Wally, that was swell of them wasn't it?

13 posted on 08/01/2013 6:15:45 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: GilesB

The State Agency should be closed. Clearly, local dog-catchers would do a better job of managing animals.

And all those macho “swatters” should be re-assigned to un-armed, un-armored foot patrol duties in high-crime areas.


14 posted on 08/01/2013 6:20:31 AM PDT by pfony1
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To: fteuph
Memo to any Republican who truly wants to be President Of Whatever Is Left Of The United States Of America:

Call for the demilitarization of government bureaucracies.

15 posted on 08/01/2013 6:21:15 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: fteuph

When all you have is a hammer, every problem, even ones that can be addressed with a polite phone call, looks like a nail that needs to be pounded.


16 posted on 08/01/2013 6:21:42 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Ann Archy

+1


17 posted on 08/01/2013 6:24:21 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: fteuph
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18 posted on 08/01/2013 6:26:15 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: fteuph
"Could you have made a phone call before showing up, I mean, that's a lot of resources," WISN 12 News investigative reporter Colleen Henry asked.

"If a sheriff's department is going in to do a search warrant on a drug bust, they don't call them and ask them to voluntarily surrender their marijuana or whatever drug that they have before they show up," Niemeyer said

So serving a warrant for an errant deer at a shelter is equivalent to doing a drug bust. Excellent logic.

19 posted on 08/01/2013 6:30:37 AM PDT by dfwright (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left (Eccl. 10:2, NIV))
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To: fteuph

What sort of scum makes an anonymous call to report a rescued fawn, knowing the State’s only solution is death?

I hope the callers and the death squad are proud. May they reap what they sow.

Governor Scott Walker must step up, take responsibility, and stop State-sponsored cruelty, and the gross waste of public resources used to carry it out.


20 posted on 08/01/2013 6:33:23 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Texas Eagle

Good idea. WISCONSIN governor Scott Walker can set the example by de-militarizing his own administration. Let’s have action, not talk.


21 posted on 08/01/2013 6:39:25 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: sport
In this case there was a lot of animus stirred up against the shelter by a pet owner who had surrendered her animal two a third party and then wanted it back when it turned up at the shelter as a stray. When the shelter refused her she went to the press.

This looks to me like someone "settling the score". But two wrongs don't make a right.

22 posted on 08/01/2013 6:43:25 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: fteuph

Were dogs kept their also and were they also shot,inquiring minds what to know. Cant open the White house tours but can spend thousands on swat team to run amok in animal shelter.


23 posted on 08/01/2013 7:13:58 AM PDT by bikerman (Obama! if his lips are moving he's lying.)
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To: jboot; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; ...

See #8 for the back story of the raid on the Society of St. Francis Animal Shelter in Kenosha

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.

I have mixed feelings about this. If this shelter is owned by Cindy Schultz, I don’t know why she’s allowed to be in the animal protection business after her conviction for stealing dogs out of their own back yards a few years ago.


24 posted on 08/01/2013 7:24:07 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: jboot
FTA: "I don't care where they would have killed her, it would have been wrong," shelter president Cindy Schultz said. Schultz said she plans to sue the DNR for removing Giggles without even a court hearing. She also questioned what such an operation costs taxpayers.

This woman used to live in my town. She certainly has been a headline grabber over the years. She ran such an aggressive campaign asState Director for Ross Perot that she became the last worker standing long before the election was ever held.

Then she was arrested and convicted for dognapping pure-bred dogs right out of their owners' back yards, neutering them, and selling them across state lines.

One sad aspect of her very sad life was when her mother was killed by a teen driver in a hit/run accident while walking near Cindy's home. The teen was fumbling with a tape or a CD player in her car, changing the music. When she looked up, Cindy's elderly mother was walking right into her path.

25 posted on 08/01/2013 7:35:55 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Chewbarkah; baddog 219

Check out post #25. The owner of this “shelter” is not on the up and up. I don’t know why she has a license, given her past record.


26 posted on 08/01/2013 7:39:50 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: fteuph

What platform took the AERIAL PHOTOS?

A small drone, right?


27 posted on 08/01/2013 7:41:36 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: afraidfortherepublic
The Schultz woman comes off as a b*tch in the interview linked in post 8 and is apparently a crook to boot.

It does not excuse the SWAT tactics of the DNR. They would have done the same to an unimpeachable saint.

We need to seriously consider the value of anonymous "tip lines". It seems to me that they are mainly used to harass people and settle scores.

28 posted on 08/01/2013 7:41:49 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: gaijin

Every government has GIS offices nowadays. The photo was probably satellite imagery purchased from a GIS vendor. Or just something pulled off Google Earth. I’ve used freely available Google Earth imagery to settle a boundary dispute. It is very detailed and accurate.


29 posted on 08/01/2013 7:44:26 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: fteuph

Wait till the “anonymous calls” alert the authorities that you haven’t signed up for obamacare, own a gun, or teach your kids christian values. The police state is firmly here folks, and it’s run by criminals.


30 posted on 08/01/2013 7:45:24 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Mrs. Don-o

T O O

M U C H

G O V E R N M E N T

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


31 posted on 08/01/2013 7:50:06 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: jboot

I have to say that I was turned in anonymously by a disgruntled (fired) ex-employee for having 3 young pheasants in my barn. The DNR pounded on my door after dark, on a cold winter’s evening, when I was in bed recovering from the flu.

I told him that I’d been given the eggs by a pheasant farm owner who didn’t want to hatch them (too late in the season), that I’d incubated them, and that they had refused to leave my cozy barn, despite the fact that I’d left the door open for them. I asked him what he’d like me to do with them? Throw them out into the snow? Turn them over to the DNR?

He said that I needed a Game Farm license to have pheasants. “What did that take?”, I asked. “$10 and an inspection of my premises” was the answer. “Here’s a form to fill out.”

“When will they come to inspect?” I asked. He grinned and said that it had already been done and that I had the nicest pheasant pen he’d ever seen. Eventually my birds flew the coop, and I never saw them again. I still have the license, but it has lapsed.

No guns. No strong arms. Just a very polite agent.


32 posted on 08/01/2013 7:54:05 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: fteuph

It’s a good thing that Wisconsin has enough doe to make raids like this possible.


33 posted on 08/01/2013 7:57:41 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: fteuph

State animal control agencies are like this, and they are totally focused on killing wild animals ASAP that have come in contact with humans. They are utterly cold blooded and determined about it.

I have no idea where it comes from, but it is like the unofficial policy of many police departments to immediately kill any dog on a property as soon as they enter it, justified by warrant or not.

At a philosophical level, having this many people who do not just kill, but who want to kill and are enthusiastic about killing when they can, not just when they have to, is very, very frightening.

I remember years ago, an animal shelter was complaining that it couldn’t keep any employees to euthanize animals, even with very high wages (like $25/hr), because most would have close to nervous breakdowns after just a few days.

Joe Arpaio offered to set up an animal shelter and make jail inmates euthanize animals, and was shocked by the absolute rejection of the idea by both inmates and the public. Fortunately he then decided to make his shelter a “no kill” shelter.

So where are they getting people not just willing to kill, but enthusiastically wanting to kill?

The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures (1961) demonstrated that people will do horrible things to other people if they are ordered to. But how much killing can you get out of people that way?

Psychopaths have the wiring in the brain to be indifferent to the harm they inflict on others. Sociopaths are trained to be indifferent. If “reprogrammed” at an early age, sociopaths can be treated. If they are adults, likely not.

I doubt it is helpful to society to have so many sociopaths walking around, killing animals.


34 posted on 08/01/2013 8:08:15 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: theBuckwheat

Well said.


35 posted on 08/01/2013 8:36:13 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: fteuph; All

Duh, who knew that “ Wisconsin Bambi “ was a bigger threat than the hordes of illegal alien Mexican invaders that Obama refuses to capture?


36 posted on 08/01/2013 8:52:54 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: rockinqsranch

It’s called “desensitizing”, meaning that all of the shock troops need to have all traces of humanity and compassion erased from their souls, otherwise, they would be ineffective at killing with impunity. This explains why police have been shooting dogs with little or no regard.


37 posted on 08/01/2013 9:04:02 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures (1961) demonstrated that people will do horrible things to other people if they are ordered to. But how much killing can you get out of people that way?

I believe that question was answered in the 1940s.
38 posted on 08/01/2013 9:14:25 AM PDT by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Anyone who thinks government is beneficent after reading this needs their head examined.

When you add up all the stuff that has been going on, like all the SWAT raids, dog shootings, unwarranted surveillance, bulldozing the wrong house, deer killing, license plate tracking, and the complete lack of any remorse or reason, it's clear that the government is not here to help.

39 posted on 08/01/2013 9:16:23 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be what you might have been.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
That was the way things were done back in the USA. Officers of the law were polite, trustworthy and gracious public servants. Moreover, they were usually wise enough to avoid being manipulated by false or malicious reports.

I assume such men are still serving the public, but we certainly see a lot more of another type of government agent these days: the kind with a license to kill.

40 posted on 08/01/2013 9:30:36 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: fteuph

There are people out here that are not good for the animals. There was one recently who only got a slap on the wrist for cruelty to animals. She had quite a business going scamming pics of other dogs and selling poor sick animals off her more than one websites. IMO, if the money was spent on regulating these guys more than raids of this sort; maybe this wouldn’t happen.


41 posted on 08/01/2013 9:55:14 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: jboot
Here is some backstory that may shed light on the situation. This looks to have been a SWATting by someone who didn't like the shelter director. Maybe even by a news reporter. I don't put anything past the "fourth estate".

This is only possible because our government at every level has gone feral and is instinctively violent at any perceived affront.

42 posted on 08/01/2013 10:26:22 AM PDT by zeugma (Be a truechimer, not a falseticker!)
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To: baddog 219
Great grephic. Do you know the origin of it?

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43 posted on 08/01/2013 10:36:11 AM PDT by zeugma (Be a truechimer, not a falseticker!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures (1961) demonstrated that people will do horrible things to other people if they are ordered to. But how much killing can you get out of people that way?

A lot more than you would ever imagine.

The percentage of your neighbors who would willingly participate in genocide would shock you.

44 posted on 08/01/2013 10:42:13 AM PDT by zeugma (Be a truechimer, not a falseticker!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

As an board member and officer of a rural, no-kill, independent Humane Society, I can confirm that everything you say is borne out by experience. This has opened my eyes to what government really is capable of. The State refuses to accept even the concept of a “no kill” shelter for pets, and they seem to prefer euthanasia to rehoming. Most State interactions with both companion animals and wildlife seem to end in death, and they deliberately foster a mentality for killing. Our legislature keeps trying to slip through laws to facilitate more animal cruelty (like chopping off hens’ beaks and feet), unchecked puppy mills, etc. (To make it more depressing, we have a Republican majority and Governor, and still this goes on).


45 posted on 08/01/2013 10:45:49 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: zeugma
Hence the rise of SWATting. People know that the government will react out of proportion to the offence without bothering to substantiate the charges first.

We could go alinsky on them and flood tiplines with bogus tips. That might be the only way to get their attention. It is not as if any politicians are going to have the guts to help us out.

46 posted on 08/01/2013 10:48:25 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: Bushbacker1

——Society of St. Francis-——

As I recall, they killed Jews and perpetrated the Inquisition.

Now they are trying to be God


47 posted on 08/01/2013 10:52:12 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: bert

Oh well nevermind then.... Carry on..... Bomb the deer shelter flat.... what were we thinking.....


48 posted on 08/01/2013 3:23:10 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: fteuph
13 law enforcement personnel from DNR and the locals involved because of one baby deer.

Maybe they have a deer overpopulation problem, but it sounds more like they have a law enforcement/government overpopulation problem if they can afford to send out 13 law enforcement personnel over a baby deer.
49 posted on 08/02/2013 12:29:34 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Ellendra
I believe that question was answered in the 1940s.

Or the 1930s depending on how you look at it.
50 posted on 08/02/2013 12:55:01 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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