[Menehune56]

From the Open Borders crowd at WSJ.

[Vaduz]

E-Verify is a joke if it was used 30% of the people in California would be pot of a job.

[Tenacious 1]

I worked at a company that used E-Verify 3 years ago. This article seems to have it wrong (at least back then).

We simply had to enter a social security number into a Fed data base and check to see who it was linked to and if it matched the person we were hiring. If not, no job.

[knarf]

Basseh-baw would cease to exist except in old re-runs ... The Senate and The House would be depleted by at least a third ... the Presidency would be vacated along with its entire cabinet ... I could not buy a car, ‘cause I wouldn’t be allowed a license ... and a TON of et cetera’s

[Regulator]

It is just the whine of the cheap labor crowd.

But the criticism of such a system is valid. It is just more government control.

But this is where the modern “civil rights” movement has taken us.

If citizenship is now nothing more than a legal abstraction, and you can be prosecuted for not hiring a guy who doesn’t speak English or looks vaguely “foreign”, then how to comply with the employment laws?

Employers need an impartial third party to make the call.

[Standing Wolf]

[sincerity, average] Wouldn’t it be simpler if all legitimate citizens were to receive unique numbers tattooed inside their left forearms? Any law enforcement officer could tell who’s who and what’s what at a glance. [/sincerity]

[Sherman Logan]

I have always believed there is an inherent conflict between conservative goal of keeping illegal aliens from working here, and their objecting to everybody having to carry government “papers.”

Accomplishing #1 pretty much requires implementing #2.

IMO.

[JCBreckenridge]

“That means, every American will have to obtain the federal government’s prior approval in order to earn a living.”

Fantastic article.

“That’s a nice little business you’ve got going on there. Shame if something were to happen.

“Hey you don’t have any SEIU members on staff. No hiring unless it’s SEIU.

[greene66]

Maybe there are some good things about E-Verify and maybe there are some bad things. All I know is that I don’t trust a single word on the topic coming from the duplicitous open-border scumbags at the WSJ.

[DoughtyOne]

As an opponent of illegal immigration, it has been my contention that part of a crackdown would be a working verification system, so that employers could avoid hiring them.

We have stated that they shouldn't be able to get work or get services for free.  They should go home.  To that end, I see e-verify as a big help.

Without e-verify, all an employer has to say is there was no way for me to know.

So I guess the question is, do we want to end illegal immigration or not?  I do.

The Wall Street Journal has been humping the leg of illegal immigration for over a decade.  I long ago wrote them off when it comes to sane thought on protecting our nation.

On the one had we have 20 to 35 million illegals in the nation, and the government wants to legalize them ASAP.

On the other hand there is a tool that will help us to encourage them to go back home.

So which is it folks?  Do they stay and work?  Do they take your job or your neighbor's job?  Do they stay and our nation goes down forever, them voting as Democrats?

It's your choice.

Once again the powers that be have found a way to divide us.  And now folks who have sided with me for over a decade, can't pull the trigger when a tool is finally here.

I guess we deserve what we get.  It's why I just don't get worked up over it any longer.  We're conquered.  Deal with it...

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[Mr Rogers]

E-verify works fine. It isn’t perfect, but it doesn’t brand a 666 on your forehead, either. We use it in Arizona. Count on the WSJ to support cheap labor and foreign workers...

[Georgia Girl 2]

E-Verify is only supposed to verify citizenship status. Anything can be abused but we need some way to make sure employers are not hiring illegals. Otherwise they will do it.

[sr4402]

That means, every American will have to obtain the federal government's prior approval in order to earn a living.

You mean it will catch illegal (undocumented Democrat) aliens that the employers aren't supposed to hire?

[reformedliberal]

The members of licensed occupations will love such low-cost enforcement of their cartels: We can’t let unlicensed manicurists prey on unsuspecting customers, can we? E-Verify them!
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Not so much. These sorts of licensing issues are at the state (maybe even the municipal) level. In my state it is the Department of Registration and Licensing. ALL they care about is the fee. The interpretation of required qualifications is loose. I cannot begin to count the unlicensed massage therapists who sneak by under one or another titling pretexts, even though we have real licensing, not just title protection.

However, I would be happy if they did verify qualifications. A poorly trained and unaccountable massage therapist can injure you or worse. There was a spate of infections traced to untrained manicurists back a few years ago. A cosmetologist or an esthetician without proper training is also a health hazard and there are lawsuits all the times against these professions for severe injury.

As for MDs, I know of two separate incidents in different states where licenses were waivered for various allowable practices with good cause, but both MDs were still allowed to practice if they avoided those procedures/practices and both regained their licenses after time, therapy and reapplication/review.

There is turf guarding, but it is mainly to protect the professions involved from being subjected to broad brush condemnation from a few unscrupulous practitioners.

[kneehurts]

0 would not be PRESident if subject to Everify. They used it at my employer and people got walked out. People with access to very sensitive info. Fyou wsj.

[unixfox]

But we STILL can't have voter I.D.

PATHETIC

[Don Corleone]

The slightest error (Does the Government ever make a mistake?)would subject a person to a lifetime of legal battles with an ignorant bureaucracy just to remain out of prison, let alone earn a living. Ever try to talk to a government employee about anything??

[john mirse]

immigration reform, e-verify installed, and Obama's own Social Security number controversy:

Pro-amnesty supporters make a big thing about how illegal immigrants will have to pass Social Security screening by passing the e-verify system.

I think it is a good idea for all persons applying for jobs to pass the e-verify program.

So let's start with President Obama himself.

1. Let's see Obama demonstrate on national tv how the e-verify system will work under the new amnesty bill by putting his own social security number through the e-verify system.

2. Will Obama pass e-verify?

3. Maybe. Maybe not, because as we all know, some people claim that Obama's present Social Security number is a fraud.

4. So I challenge President Obama: Put up or shut up about e-verify by putting your own Social Security number through the e-verify program on national tv to show the American public how easy it is.

5. Right. Don't hold your breath.

[Mr. K]

You mean the E-VERIFY system that Obama fails?

[PapaNew]

Truth works, fallacy doesn't. Truth stands the test of inquiry, practice and history, fallacy doesn't.

I am all for wise and legitimate means of securing our borders and protecting against threats to our country. Wise and legitimate means you're wisely and constitutionally balancing protection against true threats from others with the very real threat from your own government (which history shows is a greater threat than any other).

We've all seen the questionable government actions in the name of security in creating yet another useless, expensive (OUR money) bureaucracy (Homeland Security) and the abuses and threats toward the American people in the name of security. "Security" is a common excuse totalitarian governments use to gain power. What has apparently not dawned on many is the unrestrained hue and cry against immigration and illegal immigration is yet another opportunity for an even MORE threatening government to take on even MORE power which by definition is LESS freedom for you and I.

The two main arguments I've heard here against immigration (not necessarily illegal immigration) are a socialist argument (essentially, in acquiescence to a socialist state, "We have to pay for them") and that they are Obama voters (a partisan argument against a traditional American value (we're all immigrants) basically unfettered until the 1920's; also a denial that these people may be persuaded, as they were with Reagan, by the stronger argument for freedom against the weaker argument for government dependency).

When a society, even with the best intentions, seeks to curb the non-interfering liberty of others (as I believe immigration to America is), it generally weakens that society. Here, the efforts to curb immigration, even illegal immigration, have opened the door for this Marxist (IMO) administration and sympathetic Congress to threaten the American people with even more power. E-verify is just the latest in a long line of government abuses just waiting to be unleashed upon the American people in the name of security against illegal immigration.

Our rogue government has been slow to reasonably secure our southern borders. This is a legitimate way to curb illegal immigration. Unsecured borders has allowed many illegals in (who BTW actually help us because they do jobs no one else will do in the CA fields below minimum wage so you and I get lower food prices). Reasonable and wise patriots who love our country must ask which is worse: the presence of illegal immigrants or more government intrusion into our lives. I know where I stand on that choice.

ps. One obvious area for immediate deportation is incarcerated illegals.