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Amash: Snowden is a whistleblower
The Hill ^ | August 4, 2013 | Brendan Sasso

Posted on 08/04/2013 11:04:28 AM PDT by yoe

Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) said on Sunday that he believes National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden is a whistleblower, not a traitor.

"He may be doing things overseas that we would find problematic, that we would find dangerous," Amash said on Fox News Sunday. "But as far as Congress is concerned, sure he is a whistleblower. He told us what we need to know."

Amash explained that although members of the intelligence committees were informed of the details of the NSA's surveillance, most lawmakers were in the dark about the programs.

"Without his doing what he did, members of Congress would not really have known about it," the Republican lawmaker said.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: nsaleaks; snowden; traitor; whistleblower
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Obama/Jarrett and his administration have only them selves to blame for this....Snowden exposed Obama's spy program then tried to protect himself from his own government....he is not the first whistle-blower who has had to run for his life.
1 posted on 08/04/2013 11:04:29 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

But what is being done about the abuses?


2 posted on 08/04/2013 11:10:43 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: yoe

By his own admission Amash says he is clueless.


3 posted on 08/04/2013 11:11:37 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Beowulf9

For all we know, they are not happening, and due to secrecy we will never know the truth.
All we do know is Snowden is ratting on his country.

This is damaging our abilities.
I Guarantee they are not listing to you talk to Aunt Mabel about your Christmas plans.


4 posted on 08/04/2013 11:15:22 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife
Well, they don't seem to be doing a very good job at using the data for counterterrorism. They had a lead on the Boston Bombers thanks to the Russians and did nothing with it.

And the data collected on citizens will some day be abused for political purposes, just as the IRS was abused in such a manner.

5 posted on 08/04/2013 11:18:51 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: yoe

Our own government creates guys like Snowden because they are out of control.


6 posted on 08/04/2013 11:22:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: dirtboy

Why do you believe if they missed Tsraneav, they are watching you?


7 posted on 08/04/2013 11:22:27 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

I am not saying they are watching me now. I do firmly believe that this data will be abused in the future for political purposes. After all we have seen this administration do - how they have ignored the law and perverted institutions to do political bidding while pretending Muslim terrorism is workplace violence - I don’t see how any other rational viewpoint is possible.


8 posted on 08/04/2013 11:28:00 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: mylife

Oh, and Obama and his flying monkeys clearly consider Tea Partiers to be more of a threat than Islamists. Heck, Obama likes Islamists, embraces them, thinks like them. And DHS draws up memos on how conservative causes are terroristic.


9 posted on 08/04/2013 11:29:41 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

The key is to get them the hell out of office, and clear out their low level lackeys.


10 posted on 08/04/2013 11:31:09 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

The O Admin is focused on white Christian Conservative Tea-Party people.


11 posted on 08/04/2013 11:31:12 AM PDT by Dogbert41 (Thy Kingdom come!)
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To: dirtboy

When they start dragging us away in dead of night for differences of opinion, then we have a problem.


12 posted on 08/04/2013 11:33:12 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife
I Guarantee they are not listing to you talk to Aunt Mabel about your Christmas plans.

I'd rather get that guarantee from our elected representatives. The mere fact that they have implemented the means to monitor and record of private communications of private citizens is a matter for serious concern, something that should never have been done without the knowledge and approval of the people of the US.
13 posted on 08/04/2013 11:35:04 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

You are taking Snowdens word for that.


14 posted on 08/04/2013 11:35:54 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: dirtboy

The saddest part is that our government and their toadies aren’t even trying to convince us that its right or legal for them to conduct this kind of surveillance. Instead they’re just trying to convince us to accept it anyway.

If they can simply ignore one part of the constitution, they can ignore it all.


15 posted on 08/04/2013 11:35:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: mylife
Yeah, the GOP did such a good job with the influx of Tea Party energy after 2010, eh? Squandered it on a guy more interested in attacking conservative challengers than Obama.

The GOP-E hates the Tea Party almost as much as the Dems. I don't trust the establishment in either party not to abuse the NSA data collection that, under the Constitution, they have no business gathering without due process and probable cause. It needs to end.

16 posted on 08/04/2013 11:36:08 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Amash says he is clueless.


17 posted on 08/04/2013 11:36:33 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: yoe
Obama/Jarrett and his administration have only them selves to blame for this....Snowden exposed Obama's spy program then tried to protect himself from his own government....he is not the first whistle-blower who has had to run for his life.

Obama made sure that Snowden has been forced to defect to Russia where Putin will relive him of all the NSA secrets he has with him. Obama prevented Snowden from seeking asylum in Iceland and other decent places where USA-NSA secrets would have been safe even if Snowden used some as bargaining chips

Look how the CIA is following Obama orders ro keep the Benghazi survivors away from congressmen who want to talk to them. The treachery and treason is pervasive in the 0-regime

One day we will find out that Valerie Jarrett was behind a lot of this treason and criminal activity

18 posted on 08/04/2013 11:40:04 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: mylife
When they start dragging us away in dead of night for differences of opinion, then we have a problem.

Sorry, some of us aren't going to wait until that starts before fighting against such abuses of power. Because we know that is what the hard left really wants. Why allow them to assemble the tools to facilitate such?

Even Sensenbrenner, who drafted the PATRIOT Act, says this gathering is way beyond the scope of that act.

19 posted on 08/04/2013 11:41:41 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: mylife

http://sensenbrenner.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=337001

Congressman Sensenbrenner: “As the author of the Patriot Act, I am extremely troubled by the FBI’s interpretation of this legislation. While I believe the Patriot Act appropriately balanced national security concerns and civil rights, I have always worried about potential abuses. The Bureau’s broad application for phone records was made under the so-called business records provision of the Act. I do not believe the broadly drafted FISA order is consistent with the requirements of the Patriot Act. Seizing phone records of millions of innocent people is excessive and un-American.


20 posted on 08/04/2013 11:44:24 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: mylife

“I Guarantee they are not listing to you talk to Aunt Mabel about your Christmas plans.”

But yet. . .

“For all we know, they are not happening, and due to secrecy we will never know the truth.”

Anyway, they have the capacity to do so and are vacumming such data. . .to what end, for how long, and who decides who is a “threat” to national security?

Obama and his minions when they decide Tea Party members are a threat (IRS scandal), or veterans (like Nappy-Pants did a while back), at what point to we tell the government they have no unrestricted ‘right’ to Aunt Mabel’s Christmas plans or my plans to attend a Tea Party rally?

I could have respected Snowdens actions if he stayed and faced the consequences of his actions. If he truly were engaged in civil disobedience.

The core of civil disobedience is the willingness to pay the price. To run reflects no moral high ground to his action.


21 posted on 08/04/2013 11:47:21 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: mylife

They are not ‘listening’ to everything, they are recording everything. And they can call up anything recorded or live on anyone that they wish, including political opponents or those who have business operations in areas they want control of.

Suppose someone had access to all of your information, I mean every bit of it, including all of your family, friends and associates. And suppose that you were told to do something or else. Later you receive a photo of one of your children, grandchildren or dear ones with a red laser pointed to their heads, what are you going to do especially knowing that the people that do this are known to make people disappear without a trace?

This is called tyranny by the way and to guard us against this form of tyranny we were protected by courts of law that were made responsible to determine if probable and sufficient cause existed to allow search and confiscation. But no more.


22 posted on 08/04/2013 11:48:41 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: mylife; dirtboy

“Why do you believe if they missed Tsraneav, they are watching you?”

Non-sequiter.

Because one exercises and defends their rights does not mean one has something to “hide” or it is simply wrong to defend their rights.

Police: “I want to search your car/home? I want to make a record of who is sending you mail”

Citizen: “Do you have probable cause? Do you have a warrant?”

Police: “Why? What are you hiding? You MUST be guilty of something if you are not willing to give up your right to privacy, your Fifth Amendment right, your Fourth Amendment right, your (insert) right, etc. . .”


23 posted on 08/04/2013 11:52:39 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: mylife

“When they start dragging us away in dead of night for differences of opinion, then we have a problem.”

The problem starts WAY before then, like when they snoop without bounds to make lists of WHO to drag away in the middle of the night.


24 posted on 08/04/2013 11:55:23 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

You are taking Snowdens word for that.


25 posted on 08/04/2013 12:01:33 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Hulka

Here are the people you need to hammer.

The intelligence committees are just one of members’ committee assignments. Unlike other committees, positions on the intelligence committees are select assignments made by the leadership on each side in the House and Senate. The 9/11 Commission recommended changes to the intelligence committee structure in the Senate, whereby four of the members would be ‘dual-hatted’ on the Appropriations, Armed Services, Foreign Relations, and Judiciary committees. Commissioners thought this was important to ensure that the SSCI members included lawmakers familiar with the issues and interests that each of those four committees covers.[2]

House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI): 22 members sit on the Committee, although this number has fluctuated in the past. This includes at least one member each from the House Appropriations, Armed Services, Judiciary, and Foreign Affairs Committees. [2]

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI): 15 Senators sit on this committee, although this number also has fluctuated in the past. By rule, the majority party has eight members on the committee, regardless of the number of seats held by the majority in overall Senate. One seat from both the majority and minority party are reserved for standing committee members from Appropriations, Armed Services, Foreign Relations, and Judiciary. The Chairman and ranking member of the Armed Services Committees serve as ex officio members of the intelligence committees.[2]


26 posted on 08/04/2013 12:06:22 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

And many others. . .too include your own.


27 posted on 08/04/2013 12:09:05 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hostage

According to Snowden.

I realize there are huge advances in storage, but this sort of thing is tremendously wasteful.
Court orders would still be needed to sift through it.


28 posted on 08/04/2013 12:09:37 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Hulka

True enough.


29 posted on 08/04/2013 12:10:09 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

Thank you. . .after working inside the Beltway for over 10-yrs. . .


30 posted on 08/04/2013 12:10:45 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: mylife

Sincerely, refreshing.


31 posted on 08/04/2013 12:11:12 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

I have successfully avoided the beltway cesspool my entire life.


32 posted on 08/04/2013 12:11:44 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Hulka

All I am saying is that Snowden has us shooting at ghosts IMHO.


33 posted on 08/04/2013 12:13:22 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: dirtboy

We are a threat: to their traitorous plans for our country.


34 posted on 08/04/2013 12:13:29 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: yoe; thouworm; penelopesire; SE Mom; hoosiermama; MestaMachine; txhurl; crosslink; caww; ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384188/Edward-Snowdens-Wikipedia-page-edited-dissident-traitor-US-Senate.html

Someone within the US Senate edited Edward Snowden’s Wikipedia page to change his description from ‘dissident’ to ‘traitor’

The editor’s IP address was tracked back to the US Senate
The edit was made one day after Edward Snowden was granted political asylum in Russia


35 posted on 08/04/2013 12:15:56 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Hostage

I do not see that happening yet..


36 posted on 08/04/2013 12:16:38 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: maggief

This thing is getting deep.


37 posted on 08/04/2013 12:17:29 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

It’s been happening for years; here’s just one example:

http://www.news10.net/news/article/141108/2/Questions-surround-feds-raid-of-Stockton-home


38 posted on 08/04/2013 12:18:49 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.i)
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To: maggief

BTW, Who the devil trusts Wiki?
Aren’t they at the very core of this leaking?
Do they not decide what may be said and not said?.


39 posted on 08/04/2013 12:20:56 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

Of that I envy you.


40 posted on 08/04/2013 12:21:27 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: dirtboy

We are a threat: to their traitorous plans for our country.


41 posted on 08/04/2013 12:22:09 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: carriage_hill

What is the back story? what is the present story?
How much money did this beotch steal?.


42 posted on 08/04/2013 12:24:13 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Hulka
I could have respected Snowdens actions if he stayed and faced the consequences of his actions. If he truly were engaged in civil disobedience.

The core of civil disobedience is the willingness to pay the price. To run reflects no moral high ground to his action.

I respect Snowden and hope I would have the guts to do the same.
Why on earth should he f up his life by agreeing to go to a US prison for the rest of his life??? That is what an idiot does
Blame Obama (traitorous scumbag) for forcing Snowden to seek asylum in Russia so that now the Russians will get all NSA secrets.

43 posted on 08/04/2013 12:24:24 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: carriage_hill

I do not like these raids, but there was a warrant.

At least the poor Ex was not shot.


44 posted on 08/04/2013 12:27:54 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: yoe

I was surprised and heartened that the Fox poll showed that 55% of Americans view him as a whistle blower.

I still have not heard of any classified data that he has exposed or any personnel that he has endangered. The Obama administration gave away more intel after the Bin Laden raid and special forces lost lives as a result.


45 posted on 08/04/2013 12:28:35 PM PDT by A'elian' nation ("Political Correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred." Jacques Barzun)
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To: mylife
I have successfully avoided the beltway cesspool my entire life.

I used to visit there and know what is going on. Washington DC and suburbs have a huge huge immigrant (from every place) population and this was true even 25 years ago and came to me as a shock.

They all want to be where the money is and Washington +suburbs is recession proof

46 posted on 08/04/2013 12:28:42 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Hulka

Believe me, I had to do some weaseling to get out of it. LOL


47 posted on 08/04/2013 12:28:50 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: dennisw

It is not for me.


48 posted on 08/04/2013 12:31:42 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

I guess that makes you a better ‘weasel’ than me!

Ha!

(I crack me up. . . .)


49 posted on 08/04/2013 12:37:00 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

Hah!


50 posted on 08/04/2013 12:40:41 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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