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Trial Set To Begin For Church Members Arrested While Reading Bible At DMV
CBSLA.com) ^ | August 5, 2013 11:48 AM

Posted on 08/05/2013 1:56:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: BenLurkin

“Reading” should be replaced with “reciting.”


21 posted on 08/05/2013 3:01:30 PM PDT by Misterioso (The neat thing about being a nonvoter is that you don't have to give a damn about all of this.)
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To: BenLurkin

This is from 2011.

No news of outcomes since then?????????


22 posted on 08/05/2013 3:10:16 PM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: BenLurkin

This is from 2011.

No news of outcomes since then?????????


23 posted on 08/05/2013 3:10:42 PM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Steve_Seattle

You can get answers to your questions by going to the video in the link. He was reading in a loud voice so that those waiting for the license office to open would hear him. He was arrested for proselytizing to a captive audience.


24 posted on 08/05/2013 3:33:46 PM PDT by rwa265
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He was arrested for proselytizing to a captive audience

If they were pro-abortion or pro-ObamaCare activists they would not have been arrested.

25 posted on 08/05/2013 3:34:43 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Bartholomew Roberts

August 5, 2013 11:48 AM

RIVERSIDE (CBSLA.com) “Two Hemet church members who were arrested while reading the Bible outside a DMV office were expected to be in court when their trial begins Monday.”


26 posted on 08/05/2013 3:36:01 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

There’s a whole body of case law concerning “free speech fora.” If he’d been on the sidewalk, there wouldn’t have been a problem, but to be on the grounds of a government facility doing this is no different than if they’d come into a store, a courtroom, or your home and done this.


27 posted on 08/05/2013 3:37:42 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: BenLurkin

Would that cop have arrested him had he read from the Koran?


28 posted on 08/05/2013 3:58:40 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

More likely to have arrested whoever complained about the guy reading the Koran.


29 posted on 08/05/2013 4:02:42 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

To be on the grounds of a government facility is not trespassing, which is what these men are being charged with, especially considering there were customers lined up waiting for the DMV to open who were not charged.


30 posted on 08/05/2013 4:03:14 PM PDT by vrwc1
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To: MeganC

But I doubt that reading the Koran in public is.


31 posted on 08/05/2013 4:39:43 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: BenLurkin

It was getting a little out of hand. A patron said “I got in line right when they started reading the first chapter of Genesis. They were half way through Leviticus by the time I got service.”


32 posted on 08/05/2013 4:57:08 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: vrwc1
Legally speaking, however, the people waiting to do business with the DMV were there for the purposes to which the facility had been expressly dedicated, while the evangelists were not.

It's the same as if they had come onto the property of a store to proselytize. If they refused to leave, they could be arrested for trespassing while customers of the store were not.

33 posted on 08/05/2013 5:00:17 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I don’t think so. For instance, you always run into people begging for money or asking you to sign petitions outside grocery stores. The stores would love to have those people arrested for trespassing and kicked out, but they can’t. Same situation here.


34 posted on 08/05/2013 5:04:43 PM PDT by vrwc1
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To: Our man in washington
A patron said “I got in line right when they started reading the first chapter of Genesis. They were half way through Leviticus by the time I got service.”

Sounds like they arrested the wrong people. That is about a five hour wait.

35 posted on 08/05/2013 5:15:22 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: vrwc1

There you start to get into the weeds of case by case opinions, the “reasonableness” of their restrictions, the willingness of stores to stir up the ire of activists of whatever stripe vs the inconvenience to their patrons, and the willingness of police to get involved. There’s a large body of federal case law on this, and there are state level laws as well. But as for a government facility like this DMV, there’s a case called US v Kokinda about post offices that is pretty on point.


36 posted on 08/05/2013 5:22:06 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

US v Kokinda had to do with violation of a Federal statute, 39 CFR 232.1(h)(1)(1989), which prohibits “soliciting alms and contributions ... on postal premises.” This was on state (not federal) land, and there was no solicitation involved. Plus, they are not charged with solicitation, only trespassing. The men were outside, standing in a planter area, not impeding/obstructing anyone. How do you get a trespass conviction out of that, when there were others on the property at the same time?


37 posted on 08/05/2013 6:00:36 PM PDT by vrwc1
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Sorry, I should have said I was joking—making fun of the DMV.


38 posted on 08/05/2013 7:23:54 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
Reading to themselves or reading aloud? While it’s legal either way, seems to be a vital part of this story that’s missing.

The article said they were 'sharing their faith' so that seems to imply they were reading out loud.

39 posted on 08/05/2013 7:29:54 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Fiji Hill
Would that cop have arrested him had he read from the Koran?

Would you be OK if they were reading the Koran out loud instead of the Bible?

40 posted on 08/05/2013 7:31:38 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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