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Japan unveils new carrier-like warship, largest in navy since WWII
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| 8/6/2013
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Posted on 08/06/2013 9:52:49 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Jeff Head
I like em. Smooth lines. Nice floating targets..
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posted on
08/07/2013 1:42:25 PM PDT
by
zeugma
(Be a truechimer, not a falseticker!)
To: M Kehoe
To get a better feel for just how big the new Japanese 22DDH, Izumo, DDH-183 that was just launched really is, I thought I would compare it directly to the Wasp Class LHD of the US Navy. So, here is a port side view of the USS Bataan, LHD-5, the fifth US Navy Wasp Class, and from the same perspective on the port side, the view of the newly launched JMSDF Izumo, DDH-183.
The Wasp is 30 feet longer, it is about 10 feet taller, but it's beam is actually 3-4 feet less, although it's flight deck is a good 15-20 feet wider.
As you can see, the new Japanese vessel is a very large ship. Even at 30,000 tons full load, which is 3,000 tons larger than they admit to, I believe if fully outfitted with aircraft and fuel, it will be closer to 35,000 tons. The Japanese are already building the second vessel in this class.
BTW, in the Sea Control role, the Wasp Class can carry 20+ AV-8B Harrier II aircraft, or ultimately 20+ F-35B Joint Strike Fighters. Given the size of the Japanese vessel, you have to believe it could do something similar if necessary and if the Japanese purchase the aircraft. That would be something to watch for.
To: Jeff Head
20+ F-35B Joint Strike Fighters. Given the size of the Japanese vessel, you have to believe it could do something similar if necessary and if the Japanese purchase the aircraft. As if obamanation would ever sell weapons to a nation that wasn't communist or muslim.
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posted on
08/07/2013 1:49:17 PM PDT
by
Sirius Lee
(All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
To: GeronL
No angled deck, no catapaults. It’s an amphibious assault ship, aka helicopter-only-carrier.
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posted on
08/07/2013 3:55:58 PM PDT
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: Jeff Head
If you look at their Aegis “destroyers”, at full load they are as heavy as our cruisers. Germany and Japan did this before the first World War as a way of getting around the treaty restrictions. Japan could not have battleships so they made carriers and the rest is history.
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posted on
08/07/2013 8:16:33 PM PDT
by
USAF80
To: USAF80
If you look at their Aegis destroyers, at full load they are as heavy as our cruisers. Germany and Japan did this before the first World War as a way of getting around the treaty restrictions. Japan could not have battleships so they made carriers and the rest is history.
Please do the research. The Japanese absolutely could build battleships. They had a large battelship fleet. You should have seen the scale of their plans that were scrapped by the Washington Treaty of 1922! They were going to build
4 new battleships and 4 new battlecruisers, almost matching American plans for the time. The CONFERENCE ON THE LIMITATION OF ARMAMENT, aka the Washington Treaty of 1922 stopped an arms race that would have bankrupted Japan. It did however allow the construction of aircraft carriers and the conversion of battleship and battlecriuser hulls into aircraft carriers. The Japanese had already built the Hosho, the first purpose built carrier. The Amagi class battlecruisers Amagai and Akagi were converted into carriers. The Amagi was damaged in the 1923 earthquake, so the Tosa class battleship, Kaga, was converted. The US converted two Lexington class battlecriusers (Lexington and Saratoga). The British had already converted three "Large Light Cruisers: Courageous, Glorious, and Furious.
As for the Aegis destroyer, do you know anything about the modern US navy? Our Arleigh Burke class destroyers are almost the size of our Ticonderoga Cruisers. (btw, the Ticos were originally designated as destroyers) The 4 Japanese Kongo class destroyers are basically Japanese versions of the Flight 1 Arleigh Burke class destroyer. The 2 Atago-class destroyers are Flight IIA Arleigh Burkes.
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posted on
08/07/2013 11:17:51 PM PDT
by
rmlew
("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
To: M Kehoe
This ship will have vtol drones, by the hundreds.
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posted on
08/09/2013 12:15:19 PM PDT
by
TomasUSMC
( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
To: rmlew
Yea yea. They could have battleships but not the same amount as the Allies.
I’m an AF guy so I don’t claim to be an expert. We are just chatting here.
The basic idea is that they can’t have “offensive” weapons by their constitution. A cruiser is an offensive weapon so they call their “cruisers” destroyers. Carriers are offensive so they call them “helo carriers” which is defensive. etc etc.
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posted on
08/14/2013 11:17:42 AM PDT
by
USAF80
To: Jeff Head
The are both the size of a Shōkaku-class aircraft carrier or an Essex class carrier from WW2
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posted on
08/14/2013 11:38:10 PM PDT
by
rmlew
("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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