[Red Badger]

building roads and bridges does not create wealth..................

[GeronL]

I agree but part of me screams that government of all levels should not own land that they are not using for a Constitutional purpose

[Smokin' Joe]

If we had true scientists who would find and report the actual truth however it was found,...

Far too many of those who pass themselves off as scientists are not looking for truth. They are looking for data which verify their hypothesis, often to the exclusion of data which refutes it.

Rather than find out what is, they seek to prove their theory.

I have seen this in geological interpretations of rock layers which work great if you just follow the road guide leading to selected outcrops, but the interpretation fall far short or completely apart if you examine outcrops of the rocks (from the same formation) not on the itinerary.

The introduction of profit motive via grant money tied to political agendae has corrupted the scientific process, the politics of obtaining funding overshadow the science involved. There are those who will readily sell their scientific souls for such funding, and then are forced to double down as their reputations are called into question.

[Clinging Bitterly]

This is an issue which hasn't been taken seriously enough, in my view. My sweat and blood put timber dollars in my pocket for a decade beginning in 1979 and that was in spite of the Carter depression and the federal harvest cutbacks which began in earnest immediately thereafter - but one by one the dominoes fell including whole towns centered on timber business, until the customer base for my industry was gone by and large.

And I don't think anyone ever believed the science including the so-called scientists themselves. That was not the agenda.

Meanwhile the communist agents who perpetrated this fraud remain in control.

Now, I have mixed feelings about a state like Oregon being in control of those resources likewise, but surely it couldn't get any worse. Eh?