Posted on 08/11/2013 10:46:57 AM PDT by Jacquerie
I read most of the ABA review. The ruling class of 40 years ago argued the judiciary should be involved, and “one-man-one-vote” be the criteria for convention voting. Nonsense.
Starting in 1971, there were attempts by various people in Congress to enact legislation that would regulate the choosing of delegates and operation of an Amendments Convention. The ABA Report itself was a reaction to that state of affairs. The Supreme Court had ruled in Dillon v. Gloss (1921) and Coleman v. Miller (1939) that Congress had wide latitude in regulating the amendatory process, and this was Congress' attempt to exercise the powers granted by those decisions.
No bill ever got through both the House and Senate, and the last attempt to do so came from Sen. Orrin Hatch in 1991. Hatch was unable to get his bill out of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and he hasn't re-introduced it since.
If 34 states request an Amendments Convention on any topic -- my favorite would be a Convention to repeal the 16th Amendment -- you can be sure that Hatch's old bill and others will come out of dusty filing cabinets and see the light of day. Once Congress decides to honor or not honor Reynolds v. Sims, you can be sure that the Supreme Court will have the last say as to whether Amendments Convention delegates should be based on population or by states. (Walker argued for both, using a model resembling the Electoral College.) The Court will also end up deciding whether the legislatures should appoint delegates or whether there should be elections for delegate positions. (If they rule for elections, I will run for the position of Convention Delegate from the 1st District of Georgia without hesitation.)
How will the Court decide? I would go for appointment by state legislature and the number of state delegates being immaterial because each state would only have one vote. But the arguments of the ABA Report strike me as being equally as good as my own. I wouldn't venture to predict the Court's ruling on that.
Reynolds v. Sims may apply after all.
Scotus has as much to do with an Article V convention as it has in determining presidential electors and how they vote . . . zero.
Despite the scotus power grabs of these last eighty years, not everything is justiciable, and how the states conduct a convention is one of them.
Thanks again.
If so, I get it.
That is a picture of the “reform” that is needed in DC
Political and Legal Fact of Life #1: If two-thirds of the states petition Congress for an Amendments Convention on a given subject, Congress absolutely will attempt to regulate the Convention using the precedents of Dillon v. Gloss and Coleman v. Miller. Congress will attempt to expand those precedents into granting itself wide latitude to regulate an Amendments Convention.
Political and Legal Fact of Life #2: At least one state will go to federal court to argue that Congress overstepped its bounds and trespassed on the prerogatives of the states. This case will make its way to the Supreme Court, and new precedent will be set.
I happen to agree with you and hope that Scalia writes the majority opinion in favor of the states, but it may go the other way. This is new territory for everybody.
Please see the Bill of Federalism by Randy Barnett, law professor at Georgetown:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Barnett
Something like this is our only hope—and we need to do it NOW, before the AMNESTY TSUNAMI TURNS ALL RED STATES BLUE!!!
I gotta run right now and will respond to both of your thoughtful posts tomorrow.
And I fully expect that the Supreme Court would try to forestall its adoption by moving toward the original meaning of the Constitution . . . No doubt!!
In his resolutions, the states don't ask congress or scotus for anything. They tell them what they are going to do and why. Nice.
Amendment #1 income tax. Gone
2. Restoration of the commerce clause.
3. Unfunded mandates. Gone.
4. Treaty power may not supplant Art I Sect 1. (Anti-Federalists had warned of treaty abuse.)
5. Clarification of free speech.
6. Formal state nullification of regulations.
7. Rotation in office. (Mark will add judges)
8. Balanced Budget.
9. (My favorite) Explication of our 9th Amendment rights, the presumption of liberty!!!!
10. Our constitution means what it says. Yipppeee!
Yes, but if we could get just one, it should be term limits. What motivates normally sane, moral individuals to abandon all integrity and toe the totalitarian line? RE-ELECTION. Our electeds throw us under the bus every time to stay in first class.
I can give you a 95% guarantee that at least one state will challenge Congress' authority to legislate in this area.
As to how the Supreme Court will resolve it, I don't know.
Given the known and certainly increasing rat infiltration and corruption of statehouses, it will be something of a miracle for 2/3 of them to agree to some amendments.
If they do, that means we'll be very close to the pitchfork, and storm the Bastille stage. At that point, if the people and states are that disgusted, I doubt they'll be prone to listen to baloney from the institutions that brought us the point of crisis.
Bullshit statist precedent that you cite will be irrelevant.
Repeal of the 17th would be most excellent—but it still doesn’t purge the system of incumbents.
It's hard to avoid the gag reflex when one considers that the likes of Chuckie Schumer are incredibly wealthy without a single honest day's work in the private sector.
Do you believe that you can communicate with your Congresscritter or Semator? Then you must believe that you can communicate with the CEO of Exxon. Or some Hollywood celebrutard. How many staffers does a Semator or Congressperson have? What do they do all day? My advice: go talk to your local dogcatcher if you want to get somewhere.
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