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Donít Expect Reform From Washington
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Posted on 08/11/2013 10:46:57 AM PDT by Jacquerie

It’s no secret that one hundred years of progressivism has twisted the American mind. A once proud and independent people have become increasingly meek and dependent on the decisions and goodies disbursed by faraway masterminds.

Part of that twist shifted our attention and expectations from the dispersed power in our states, and toward a single focal point, Washington, DC. For any real or imagined problem, the perceived answer no longer resides within our communities or states. No, there must be a national program to deal with and regulate everything. This top-down imperial approach, that treats the fifty states no better than subservient soviet republics, is not only incompatible with, but hostile to a once free people.

Aren’t you tired of pleading like a serf with your rep and senators to comply with the constitution they swore to protect? I’m not saying we should stop communicating with them, but as a group, they will never reform the system that serves them so well. Just a week ago, they quietly exempted themselves and their families from ruinous Obamacare.

If we are to save our republican freedoms from runaway tyranny, we must take the initiative, and stymie the radical onslaught, but how?

Voting for conservatives to national office is necessary, but history has shown it is insufficient. Conservatives will never set the terms of the debate in Washington, DC. The left simply owns it all. Big media are Obama’s shield, and the DOJ is his sword. If we are to be winning generals in this long battle against despotism, we must select the best terrain, and that terrain is not in Washington. It is distributed among fifty state capitals.

Yes, the states. It is there our framers direct us, in Article V, to begin the process they planned for, to take back our republic from the forces of darkness and despair. We do not have to put up with consolidation of all power into the hands of the few. We have the means, we must use them.

This new tactic requires a new perspective.

Do you know your state rep and senator? From you, do they know they have the constitutional muscle to restore republican freedoms? They know very well the heavy hand of DHS, EPA, HHS, etc. and unfunded mandates too numerous to count. They know that over half of the states stood in court to oppose Obamacare. They know radical judges alone prevent Arizona from defending its southern border. They know of DOJ intent to hijack elections for democrats, and how the statists are ultimately nullifying the constitution. Do not discount their collective loathing.

These are the politicians we must motivate, because they are the men and women who will hopefully, eventually, send delegates with detailed commissions to an Article V amendment convention and wrest power from our oppressors.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: articlev; constitution; statesrights
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1 posted on 08/11/2013 10:46:57 AM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: 1010RD; Repeal The 17th; lone star annie; boxlunch; OneWingedShark; central_va; Hostage; ...

Thinking outside of the box ping!


2 posted on 08/11/2013 10:48:04 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Jacquerie
Two reference documents:

The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council and is about 90% accurate. It’s available in a downloadable PDF.

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

The second fills in some holes from the previous document.

Report of the ABA Special Constitutional Convention Study Committee

Take the two documents together, and you have a good picture of how an Amendments Convention would work.

3 posted on 08/11/2013 10:55:06 AM PDT by Publius (And so, night falls on civilization.)
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To: Jacquerie
By the same token, if you want to reform the national Republican Party, the place to start is with the state parties.

While the party has become an ineffectual weakling on the national level, it remains an effective force at the state level -- controlling thirty of the fifty states.

Let several of the more important state parties -- say, Texas, Wisconsin, South Carolina -- declare their independence from the national party. Then, see how quickly other state parties might follow suit.

The only states we need to concern ourselves with are the states that lean Republican at the national level. I.e., how the California Republican party reacts is of no consequence.

An intra-party insurrection at the state level is the best way to achieve reform of the national Republican party. There is no need of a third party if such an insurrection is successful.

4 posted on 08/11/2013 10:55:13 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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Here is one of the big problems:

Currently, in the U.S. House of Representatives...

... the representatives from the 4 largest U.S. cities
can out-vote the representatives of 15 states entirely.

... the representatives from the state of California
can out-vote the representatives from 21 other states entirely.


5 posted on 08/11/2013 10:57:40 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Publius
Thanks for the references. I intend to read the pdf(s) later. Do they comport with what Mark Levin has had to say, that they would be for amendments only, and not wide open constitutional conventions?
6 posted on 08/11/2013 11:04:13 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
I don't follow your concern. The whole point is to go around the congressional clowns and institutions that have brought us so low.
7 posted on 08/11/2013 11:06:44 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Originally:
representatives were about 2 1/2 times in number as senators (65 vs 26).
Now:
there are 435 representatives vs 100 senators, or about 4 1/2 times in number;
the 2 1/2 to 1 ratio would translate to 250 members in the house of representatives.

Originally:
representatives were 1 per 30,000 in population.
Now:
that would require 10,000 members in the house of representatives.


8 posted on 08/11/2013 11:09:28 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: okie01
State parties, I assume will be the vehicle to carry any reform forward.
9 posted on 08/11/2013 11:13:27 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Jacquerie
Both documents say that the states may ask for a single-subject convention or a general convention open to all subjects. That decision is the prerogative of the states. The actual call of an Amendments Convention by Congress is purely ministerial.

An Amendments Convention has exactly the same authority as Congress with respect to proposing amendments, no more and no less. Article V states that amendments may only be proposed "to this Constitution" which implicitly forbids the abrogation of the current Constitution and the writing of a new one. Yes, an Amendments Convention could propose 80 amendments to the states for ratification that would reshape the Constitution, but, no, an Amendments Convention could not start all over again.

The decision to restrict an Amendments Convention to a single subject or to open it to all possible subjects is a decision for the states, and the states declare their desire in their petitions to Congress for a convention call. Each document has a different view as to enforcing this decision of the states, which is why the ALEC document should be read first, and then the ABA document as a rebuttal.

10 posted on 08/11/2013 11:13:45 AM PDT by Publius (And so, night falls on civilization.)
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This is why Thomas Jefferson and others supported the idea
of a peaceful secession.

Christians and those who believe in a small and limited
government are greatly outnumbered.


11 posted on 08/11/2013 11:13:47 AM PDT by Lonely Are The Brave
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To: Repeal The 17th

Could you imagine 10,000 members of Congress?

All of them with high priced benefits and staff. It’d be insane.


12 posted on 08/11/2013 11:16:07 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

A House of 10,000 members would meet virtually on the Internet, and the congressmen would never leave their (small) districts. It would make bribery and corruption a much more difficult task than it is today where everybody is centralized in one location.


13 posted on 08/11/2013 11:18:50 AM PDT by Publius (And so, night falls on civilization.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Here is one of the big problems:
Currently, in the U.S. House of Representatives...

... the representatives from the 4 largest U.S. cities can out-vote the representatives of 15 states entirely.

... the representatives from the state of California can out-vote the representatives from 21 other states entirely.

That's ok; the House of Representatives is supposed to be proportional to population [but with a minimum of 1]: so then, a heavily populated state like CA should have more reps. than a collection of sparsely populated states. — the biggest problem with the HOR, I think, is that there aren't enough Representatives as each represents something like 700,00 people. (50k would probably be pushing it.)

14 posted on 08/11/2013 11:21:25 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Publius

lol

The internet would make bribery and corruption harder?
I really doubt that.

The sheer number of them might.


15 posted on 08/11/2013 11:22:51 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

That’s the point I’m trying to make. Bribing 435 congresscritters all stacked in one place is easy. Bribing 10,000 congresscritters in 10,000 locations would be a challenge.


16 posted on 08/11/2013 11:24:05 AM PDT by Publius (And so, night falls on civilization.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Originally:
representatives were 1 per 30,000 in population.
Now:
that would require 10,000 members in the house of representatives.

I'm not sure having such a large body would be a bad thing. It would make it easier to hold them to account, as well as making it harder [or at least more expensive] to buy favor.

17 posted on 08/11/2013 11:24:51 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Lonely Are The Brave
"This is why Thomas Jefferson and others supported the idea of a peaceful secession."

Nice sentiment, but it's not going to be peaceful. The silver lining is that although we may be outnumbered, but we have three things going for us:

1) God is with us
2) we have the moral courage of our belief in freedom and self governance, and
3) most Americans are lazy, cowardly, and/or believe in nothing but their next welfare check, and therefore will be too worthless to get up off the couch and actively participate.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

18 posted on 08/11/2013 11:32:09 AM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: Publius

Roger that.


19 posted on 08/11/2013 11:35:11 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Publius
Right now, the rep/citizen ratio is over 1:700,000.

An additional benefit of many more reps is that each could ACTUALLY represent the views of his constituents. At 1:30,000 or so, you or I could reasonably visit the homes of perhaps most of the people of our district.

It would also reduce the courtroom baloney over racial gerrymandering every two years.

20 posted on 08/11/2013 11:45:49 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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