Posted on 08/13/2013 11:52:43 PM PDT by iowamark
The meaning of “natural born citizen” is very simple to understand and is not at all debatable. You know a child is natural born citizen by the inherent Nature of a child being born in the same jurisdiction and sovereignty of the state in which the parents are citizen members of that society, and the child therefore has no other sovereign state which can claim the child’s loyalty or allegiancem and the child cannot claim citizenship from the foreign state. An example is a child whose parents are citizens of the nation in which the child is born upon its sovereign jurisdiction. Such a citizenship is said to be “natural born citizenship” because no act of man is required to make the child of citizen as a result of naturaloly inheriting inheriting no other citizenship but the one in which the child is born with both parents having no foreign citizenship.
Conversely, you can always know a citizenship is not a “natural born citizenship” by virtue of the fact an act of man in the form of a law is required to determine which of more than one citizenship the child will adopt and/or which of the sovereigns can lawfully claim the loyalty and allegiance of the child at birth due to the child’s place of birth and/or citizenship of the parents.
Senator Ted Cruz cannot be a natural born citizen, because his citizenship was determined by a statutory law and his selection and rejection of competing claims upon his loyalty and allegiance at birth by more than one sovereign. Ted Cruz adopted the citizenship of his mother, and he rejected the citizenship of his place of birth and the citizenship of his father. His citizenship was setermined by “datus” and not by the “natus” of a “natural born citizenship”.
Absolutely.
LLS
Cruz is already scaring the GOP elite so badly that they have sent Ann Coulter out to say he’s not eligible. AFter their silence on Hussein for over 4 years its so disingenuous I am laughing.
IMO Chris Matthews ( I despise the ground he walks on) is correct in his theory that in 2016 the GOP is going to take a hard right turn and nominate Rand Paul for President. I would also include Ted Cruz in that theory. One or the other is going to get it and its OK by me. Time to shake things up.
For awhile there, I was calling annie krispie coulter so anything she says, really since she attacked Sarah Palin, means nothing to me, (not that it ever meant much anyway.)
Cruz is a constitutional scholar and I seriously doubt the man would run if he wasn’t eligible, so for now, I’m of the belief that he is good to go.
If Sarah doesn’t run, and it looks like she won’t, I could see Cruz, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Trey Gowdy, Allen West. I just hope they don’t bruise each other because I DO NOT WANT a jeb, a christie, or ANY other rino stealing the nomination like romney did or we are doomed.
I don’t think he’s a threat to the U.S. at all, unlike that dangerous idiot in the White House.
I’ve heard Allen West on several interviews and he said he will be back in 2016. Whether he is going to run for president or a U.S. Senate seat - he didn’t clarify. Either is good for me. If he runs for President, then I’ll have the privilege of voting for him.
Apparently, it is debatable, and I suggest you just stay home and not vote should he decide to run. Your one vote won’t make that much difference. We can ill afford another squishy RINO as our nominee.
I suggest you do a more in depth study of “natural born citizen.” All I know is I want the Demoncrat ilk out of our house. However, should the nominee be Jeb Bush or Christie, then I’ll be the one sitting home.
“Apparently, it is debatable,”
The meaning of “natural born citizen” is not rellay debatable, because its meaning is exactly what the words say. For millenia mankind has observed the obvious fact that a child who is born in the same jurisdiction in which the child’s naural paents are citizens must naturally without a statute of law inherit no other citizenship bu that of his parents and birthplace. By contrast, a child who is born beyond the jurisdiction in which the child’s natural parents are citizens must be made a citizen by a manmade, artificial, and unnatural act of a statute of law. While the child may be made a citizen at birth by a manmade statute of law, doing so is an unnatural act of man and not a natural state of being requiring no manmade law to exist.In other words, the facts of the birth result in a natural born citizen or an unnatural born citizen.
“and I suggest you just stay home and not vote should he decide to run. Your one vote won’t make that much difference.”
The Democrats already denied me the right to vote and substituted illegal aliens in my place in a vote fraud scam at the polls. Since the California law enforcement authorities refused to take a complaint and threatened me with arrest for attempting to report the crimes, we moved our home, business, employment, and tax payments to another state. Along with the many other people and businesses leaving California, they have noticed the difference. Even after leaving California, the state continued to try and levy income taxes on revenue not earned in California in any way, shape, or form. Our votes are now being contributed to amother jurisdiction.
“We can ill afford another squishy RINO as our nominee.”
You say that whiole turning your back against the tens of millions of true natural born U.S. Citizens in favor of the Canadian born and citizen son of a Cuban citizen andrevolutionary who supported Fidel Castro before he opposed Fidel Castro. Of course, the Communist enemies of Rafael and Ted Cruz claim Rafael Cruz was an informer and spy for the ruthless Cuban regime Fidel Castro overthrew. So, entangling the U.S. in such espionage and political intrigues is much more affordable to you than allowing a true natural born citizen to run for election.
“I suggest you do a more in depth study of ‘natural born citizen.’”
Your suggestion is tantamount to suggesting A. J. Foyt needs lessons on how to use a manual transmission. You have demonstrated zero understanding and zero interest in understanding the origins of the terminology, yet you want to suggest everyone is more ignorant than your obvious ignorance. Try quoting the legal definitions of such terms as “natural”, “natural person”, and ‘natural law” before you accuse other people of being more ignorant than yourself.
“All I know is I want the Demoncrat ilk out of our house. However, should the nominee be Jeb Bush or Christie, then I’ll be the one sitting home”
You cannot fix the problem by compromising your integrity by adopting the attitude that the ends justify the means. That is what the Democrats, socialists, and communists do. Setting a bad example is no way to provide leadership to others. A proper standard of leadership is to make no compromise on the rule of law, recognize the literal meaning of “natural born citizen” eligibility in the Constitution, insist upon no candidate other than a true naural born citizen, and insist other people do so as well.
There is no reason and no excuse why the Office of the President should be held by any person other than a person whose parents were U.S. Citizens at the birth of the child, the child was born in U.S. Jurisdiction and without any foreign citizenship, and the person never having a foreign citizenship or passport within their lives. We have tens of millions of U.”S. Citizens who comply with those qualifications. If a political party cannot or will not meet those minimum standards, that political party has no business being in existence in this Republic. This goes for the Democrats and the Rublicans. The Republicans have no business whatsoever offering marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, Michelle bachman, Ted Cruz, or others as such candidates. If the Republican Party persists in compromising its integrity with the false denial of the natural born citizen clause of the Constitution, it too can be replaced, no matter how much or how little time it may take to do so.
Amen.
Michelle Bachmann?
Perhaps there is a “dual nationality” problem via her marriage.
From Wikipedia:
“In May 2012, it was reported that Marcus Bachmann had registered for Swiss citizenship and after it was finalized, Michele Bachmann automatically became a citizen as well.[32] The Bachmanns and their three youngest children were granted citizenship on March 19, 2012. They had been eligible for this under Swiss nationality law because Marcus Bachmann’s parents were Swiss.[32]”
Hmmmmmm...
Well, ya loins somethin’ every day.
Sounds like you are a one issue voter. Good luck with that. And save your essays for someone else. Yes, it is debatable.
“Sounds like you are a one issue voter. Good luck with that.”
Honesty and integrity is not “one issur” for a voter to consider, but they are an indispensible quality in every candidate and every candidate’s issues that may come before a voter for consideration.
“And save your essays for someone else.”
We are in a public forum for all to read the responses to your misinformation and championing of using the end results to justify corrupt means.
“Yes, it is debatable.”
Bill Clinton also argued that the meaning of oral sex was debatable, and hew was disbarred for such perjury. The meaning of natural born citizen is debatable only among those people who likewise try to reverse the inherent meaning of a word to deceive. Even the State Department recognizes there is a difference between a native born citizen and a natural born citizen when they discuss the terms in their regulations.
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