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Fukushima apocalypse: Years of ‘duct tape fixes’ could result in ‘millions of deaths’
RT ^ | August 18, 2013

Posted on 08/18/2013 6:40:01 PM PDT by SteveH

Even the tiniest mistake during an operation to extract over 1,300 fuel rods at the crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant in Japan could lead to a series of cascading failures with an apocalyptic outcome, fallout researcher Christina Consolo told RT.

Fukushima operator TEPCO wants to extract 400 tons worth of spent fuel rods stored in a pool at the plant’s damaged Reactor No. 4. The removal would have to be done manually from the top store of the damaged building in the radiation-contaminated environment.

In the worst-case scenario, a mishandled rod may go critical, resulting in an above-ground meltdown releasing radioactive fallout with no way to stop it, said Consolo, who is the founder and host of Nuked Radio. But leaving the things as they are is not an option, because statistical risk of a similarly bad outcome increases every day, she said.

RT: How serious is the fuel rod situation compared to the danger of contaminated water build-up which we already know about?

Christina Consolo: Although fuel rod removal happens on a daily basis at the 430+ nuclear sites around the world, it is a very delicate procedure even under the best of circumstances. What makes fuel removal at Fukushima so dangerous and complex is that it will be attempted on a fuel pool whose integrity has been severely compromised. However, it must be attempted as Reactor 4 has the most significant problems structurally, and this pool is on the top floor of the building.

There are numerous other reasons that this will be a dangerous undertaking.

(Excerpt) Read more at rt.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Japan
KEYWORDS: fukushima; tepco

1 posted on 08/18/2013 6:40:01 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: SteveH

WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!

WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!


2 posted on 08/18/2013 6:41:36 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SteveH

Wow no hyperbole in that article. /s


3 posted on 08/18/2013 6:41:38 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SteveH

I don’t know anything about nuke reactors, but this sounds like 100% BS.


4 posted on 08/18/2013 6:44:18 PM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: DuncanWaring

so glad i bought potassium iodide


5 posted on 08/18/2013 6:45:02 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: SteveH

they fix cracks in jet airliner wings with duct tape


6 posted on 08/18/2013 6:47:16 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: Donnafrflorida

i heard we have plutonium in our water supply where i am at


7 posted on 08/18/2013 6:48:12 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: SteveH
Christina Consolo is a former clinical researcher supervisor with NIH credentialing; a former Member-at-Large for the Board of Directors, Ophthalmic Photographers’ Society; A peer reviewer for the Journal of Ophthalmic Photography; She has written, published, and contributed to numerous scientific research in retinal imaging and ophthalmogy for the past 24 years; She is also an award-winning biomedical photographer and maintains several websites

In other words almost no credentials regarding the subject at hand.

8 posted on 08/18/2013 6:48:15 PM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: SteveH

“Nuked Radio”
Sounds Legit.


9 posted on 08/18/2013 6:50:51 PM PDT by struggle
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To: SteveH

I wish I knew what to believe about this accident. This is the most dire article to come out about it. But others claim no one has died directly from the radiation, and few are expected to die. The article references Arnie Gundersen, who has limited credibility about the nuclear industry. Yet almost all hysterical Fukushima articles reference him. Are his opinions causing the hysteria?


10 posted on 08/18/2013 6:52:34 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: SteveH

Scare tactic crapola IMHO.


11 posted on 08/18/2013 6:57:58 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: caver

It’s hard to imagine it getting much worse than it already is. Fuel pools went dry and fuel caught fire. Reactor buildings blown apart by hydrogen explosions. Reactors went full meltdown (and didn’t burn through the Earth to -I guess it would be Argentina?

It’s as bad as it gets right now and yet we aren’t all dead. In fact, it’s unlikely that anyone is going to die as a direct and indisputable result of this disaster.

That is not to make light of it. It is still one hell of a mess and a serious threat to public safety and health, not to mention it will cost a fortune to clean up. But the apocalyptic predictions of the anti nuke crowds never came to pass even in this worst of the worst case scenarios.


12 posted on 08/18/2013 7:04:13 PM PDT by SargeK
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To: SteveH

each one of us....is in fact “Radioactive”

where to HIDE ...where to HIDE?


13 posted on 08/18/2013 7:07:09 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Typical White Person)
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To: SteveH

People have and will die as a result of Fukushima. The suppression of the immune system at doses distributed in some populated areas are sufficient to supress immune response as it has in other regions of the world. When Chernobyl occurred, a pro nuclear international study was done reporting “all diseases increased”. I did a double take and had to read more carefully - the human body has to repair the ongoing damage caused by radiation exposure and cannot continue to maintain the fight against other diseases so all instances go up. When that happens, some people die from diseases they would have survived with a functioning, unimpaired immune system.
Exposure to ionizing radiation does cause cancers and leukemia along with other diseases and this is known because of medical studies going back to the 50’s in the US and then studies on the exposed populations of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the Ukraine etc. And the latest state-of-the-art research in the US continues to indicate that there is no safe threshold and people will sicken die. What the nuke industry hangs onto is that, while leukemia and cancer and other diseases increase in exposed populations - there is no test to show which patient died from cancer they were going to get from other sources and which patient would have been fine if not for radiation exposure from the nuclear power industry. You can say cancer increase x percent as a result of radioactive contamination - so far there is usually no way to group the deaths that would have occurred anyway and separate them from the Fukushima group. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is viewed by the nuclear power industry as full exoneration. This is the reason they insist that the only Fukushima deaths are the ones that are caused by Acute Radiation Sickness (heavy exposure and relatively fast death) and they wash their contaminated hands of ALL the other death and destruction of quality of life as people battle with endless illnesses and debility.
SO either the Japanese are not human or they are experiencing rising death (immune suppression) and will experience rising cancer rates etc.
People were right. Chernobyl is still killing people today because radioactive wastes remain damaging for many many generations. There are people living in contaminated regions today that are ill and will raise ill children because radiation exposure is damaging. It never was theoretical - it always was directly observable and damaging.

Someone upthread said “we’re all gonna die” to ridicule those of us who know what nuclear power is doing to the future of the US, of Japan and other countries. Radiation from Fukushima was soon detected in south America. Venting large quantities of materials proven to cause cancer, leukemia and a host of other illnesses (early dementia) on the world’s population is fine with the nuclear power industry because there is money in it for people and they have find lying and accusing people of being hysterical “works” to give them what they want. Their incompetence is vast but they aren’t held accountable. They think it’s “good work if you can get it.” Routinely threads like these reveal that no one in nuclear power ever bothered to learn actual effects of exposure to radiation but they sure are willing to invest in shouting down and ridiculing anyone who does study the medical science involved.


14 posted on 08/18/2013 7:23:45 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

exactly - I am disheartened by even Freeepers ignorance on this -


15 posted on 08/18/2013 7:30:45 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: ransomnote

Thank you for a reasonable response.


16 posted on 08/18/2013 7:32:38 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: ransomnote
It depends on the difference between relative and absolute measurements. Natural exposures vary enormously due to mere geography, using relative measurements, due to radon from thorium in granite. Areas with really rocky ground and lots of basements can even have biologically significant exposures. Areas with alluvial soils don't have this problem at all.

Doomies emit alarm, mismeasurements, lies and ignorance concerning anything nuclear. OTOH, the Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPOCO) does the same, substituting real radioactive danger for the alarm. They oughta send in all of TEPCO's senior management to clean up Fukushima with toothbrushes.

17 posted on 08/18/2013 7:46:55 PM PDT by Thud
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To: ransomnote
I did a double take and had to read more carefully - the human body has to repair the ongoing damage caused by radiation exposure and cannot continue to maintain the fight against other diseases so all instances go up.

Thanks for the informative write-up. Every time we go thru the airport, my wife wife opts out of scanning and asks for a pat-down. Because she is undergoing treatments for cancer and has received heavy doses of radiation already. The TSA goons always tell her there is no radiation from the scanners. My wife always has to protest several times and demand opting out. Telling people the scanners have no radiation shows ignorance on the part of the TSA workers, or they just don't care. A few years ago she received daily radiation treatments for a month (yes, daily), and she had to protect herself from exposure to any outside germs and disease, because her immune system was compromised. She lost her hair and was weak for some time. So minimizing other radiation exposure is a must.

18 posted on 08/18/2013 7:55:26 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: bigheadfred

We fix HVAC ducts with duct tape. We fix wings with Duck Tape. ;^)


19 posted on 08/18/2013 8:00:11 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: caver

“a mishandled rod may go critical”

I don’t think a single rod can go critical under any circumstances.


20 posted on 08/18/2013 8:06:50 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Donnafrflorida

I should probably get some of that.


21 posted on 08/18/2013 8:09:58 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: maine-iac7

“exactly - I am disheartened by even Freeepers ignorance on this -”

It is how you pick out the people that you know that you don’t want to listen to. If they can dismiss such obvious harm then why listen to them on anything else. I wish I could get those people to all go for an extended Chemotherapy treatment.


22 posted on 08/18/2013 8:10:39 PM PDT by Revel
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To: SteveH

Not that bad:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444772404577589270444059332.html


23 posted on 08/18/2013 8:19:23 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just wanted to say I hope you great NSA folks are enjoying my posts here.)
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To: Fzob
In other words almost no credentials regarding the subject at hand.

Not necessarily. It looks like she is highly qualified to photograph the hysteria.

24 posted on 08/18/2013 8:24:54 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Thanks for that. As a long time Colorado resident, I am aware of the increased radiation and radon everyone is exposed to. Yet Coloradans live healthy lives. This is part of why I am hesitant to jump on a band wagon. Colorado is not alone, the rest of the western United States, from the Rockies to the Sierra Nevada range, is pretty much in the same boat. And we nuked Nevada more than any enemy. Yet people in the west are not dieing in droves, and are in fact growing areas.
25 posted on 08/18/2013 8:33:08 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: driftdiver
You call this hyperbole? "No one can say or know how this will play out, except that millions of people will probably die even if things stay exactly as they are, and billions could die if things get any worse." Seems like cool, calm, and collected reasoning to me. (yuk)
26 posted on 08/18/2013 8:53:33 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Thud

It depends on the difference between relative and absolute measurements. Natural exposures vary enormously due to mere geography, using relative measurements, due to radon from thorium in granite. Areas with really rocky ground and lots of basements can even have biologically significant exposures. Areas with alluvial soils don’t have this problem at all.

Doomies emit alarm, mismeasurements, lies and ignorance concerning anything nuclear.
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I understand the differences between absolute and relative measurements. I understand the different exposures people receive due to variations in natural sources, types of strata. I understand that basements can have biologically significant exposures. Geology plays a role in background sources - yes.

Do you understand how Fukushima is unrelated to these variations? For example - do you understand the differences between radon in a basement and exposure to radioactive wastes distributed en masse daily from Fukushima? Further, threads like these are not lamenting exposure to natural sources. Threads like these lament the incompetence of the nuke industry which is damaging the health of the human population and lying about it.

Supposedly nuclear experts would have at their disposal accurate information to share with the public. Fukushima has shown me that nuclear types routinely excuse incompetent mismanagement and deception by citing false or unrelated information about radiation as if they were knowledgeable on the subject. The dosimetry calculations that nuke engineers have thrown in my face while demanding I perform the calculations and post them and “show my work” don’t even take into account the way in which potassium in bananas differs from radioactive cesium from Fukushima.

Incompetence, ignorance and lies from the nuke industry and they have no clue that the calculations they are using are not accurate even if the numbers falsely (obviously) indicate that radioactive cesium is less harmful than the natural radiation in bananas. I mean where is the “professional development” on the part of the nuclear industry if I am the one that has to point out that radon is not relevant to this discussion? Why don’t their employees and supporters know anything about how radiation damages human tissues and how one source of radiation can cause such different damage compared with other sources of radiation?
Doomies? Is that the new name nuke apologists like to call people who have bothered to study the issue and understand the medical effects and long term ramifications of what’s going on in Fukushima and are sharing this information with the public? No one is panicking here.


27 posted on 08/18/2013 9:43:04 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: staytrue

“a mishandled rod may go critical”

I don’t think a single rod can go critical under any circumstances.
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Supposedly a broken rod can lose “cooling geometry” (e.g., crumble into a pile at the bottom of the tank in such a way that water cannot sufficiently circulate to keep it cool). If it melts in water it can melt through the tank and if water drains out of the tank then all those tons of fuel evaporate into the air or melt through the remaining tank. Many caution scenarios involve anything that would make the area too radioactive to be serviced by people so that the fuel remains immersed and cool.


28 posted on 08/18/2013 9:46:19 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote
You sure come across like a Doomie. The Japanese don't need nukes to cause environmental catastrophes, though those certainly help with orders of magnitude effects.

I was very likely familiar with these matters before you were born, and have ruined careers over radiological matters.

29 posted on 08/18/2013 9:55:22 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Thud

Doomie: The new name nuke apologists like to call people who have bothered to study the issue and understand the medical effects and long term ramifications of what’s going on in Fukushima and are sharing this information with the public.


30 posted on 08/18/2013 10:06:46 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: SteveH

Fukushima is very bad, but an article from RT(!) saying that millions wil die makes it funny.

Chernobyl, anyone?


31 posted on 08/18/2013 10:19:02 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Well it did seem a tad bit emotional.

Billions indeed.


32 posted on 08/19/2013 3:13:25 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Cvengr

:-))


33 posted on 08/19/2013 11:27:07 AM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: SteveH

You make FR look like a joke by posting material from RT.com.


34 posted on 08/19/2013 11:34:24 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: ransomnote
When you are inside the industry, you are very sensitive to anything that attacks it.

Nuke power is dangerous. More so than coal. The trick is to manage the risk. But as with all risk management, that comes with a cost. At some point the ones writing the check will tell you to stop spending money on risk management.

My plant has a lot of chemicals that fall under the “dangerous” heading. But the likelihood of anything impressive happening is slight, so we don't try to manage every known risk. For instance, the building would not survive a jumbo jet hitting it.

For us, worst case is we vent ammonia, and make a big sticky mess. For a nuke plant, you have a melt down (much more impressive).

35 posted on 08/20/2013 10:25:28 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
"Arnie Gundersen, who has limited credibility about the nuclear industry

Limited? That's funny, he has zero credibility.

36 posted on 09/06/2013 8:46:12 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: SteveH

Maybe Obama could start a war with Japan. After all, they are causing millions of deaths.


37 posted on 09/06/2013 8:47:27 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest
Didn't see a sarcasm tag, so I wonder how they are hiding all of the bodies?
38 posted on 09/06/2013 12:11:30 PM PDT by WHBates
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