[Jeff Winston]

No Jeff. You don't get to lie about your firmly held position. You have never cut out a niche for "birth tourism." Your theory doesn't ALLOW such deviations from dogma. The Gospel of Natural Born according to JEFF WINSTON is that ANYONE BORN HERE IS A "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN."

Your characterization is simply a lie, which of course is nothing new for you.

I have for a long time said there's at least some argument to be made that the children born here of foreign parents temporarily in the country (e.g., tourists) are not or at least should not be US citizens.

I've also said that I think LEGALLY speaking, based on precedent and on the historical meaning of "natural born," the argument is a weak one and might well fail.

But from a POLICY point of view? There's a lot of be said for eliminating birth tourism.

And that's why I said Bayard's position wasn't unreasonable.

From a LEGAL point of view, though, he may not be correct.

A proposition can be good policy, but bad law. Is Obamacare bad policy? Undoubtedly. Is it the law of the land? Also undoubtedly.

So to say "Obamacare is not the law" is simply not true.

Unlike birthers, I distinguish what the law is from what I would like it to be.

But I think you understand my position. We've talked about it before.

[Brown Deer]

I distinguish what the law is from what I would like it to be.

and as most of us already know, you have absolutely no formal education on this subject.