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‘North Colorado’ secession movement inches forward
Daily Caller ^ | Aug 20, 2013 | Greg Campbell

Posted on 08/21/2013 9:20:25 AM PDT by kevcol

Voters in Weld County will vote on whether to secede from Colorado after commissioners this week unanimously agreed to put the question on November’s ballot.

Weld County, the largest of several that have been seriously discussing breaking away to form their own state, joins three other counties in putting the question to its citizens. Several others are also considering referring the measure to voters or waiting to see if citizen initiatives show support for the idea.
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County leaders have also been alarmed at attempts to strengthen regulations on oil and gas developers, which are heavily invested in rural counties. And they’ve also been riled by tough new gun laws that limit the size of ammunition magazines and require universal background checks for all firearms transfers.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: banglist; donttreadonme; guncontrol; libertyordeath; northcolorado; secession; secondamendment
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1 posted on 08/21/2013 9:20:25 AM PDT by kevcol
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To: kevcol

The Second American Civil War inches forward.


2 posted on 08/21/2013 9:26:57 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: kevcol

As a Coloradan, I am of the opinion that it is more likely to get the voters to change the State Constitution to elect one State Senator per county.


3 posted on 08/21/2013 9:31:40 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: kevcol; The Mayor

I would like to do this in Western New York


4 posted on 08/21/2013 9:31:55 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: MeganC
Yes, so it seems. This could be the spark that ignites similar movements all across the country. Leave the 'blue' areas to wallow in their filth, violence and despair.

"The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No.""

"They had a choice, all of them. They could have followed in the footsteps of good men like my father or President Truman. Decent men who believed in a day's work for a day's pay. Instead they followed the droppings of lechers and communists and didn't realize that the trail led over a precipice until it was too late. Don't tell me they didn't have a choice."

"Now the whole world stands on the brink, staring down into bloody Hell, all those liberals and intellectuals and smooth-talkers... and all of a sudden nobody can think of anything to say."
Rorschach – from The Watchmen


5 posted on 08/21/2013 9:33:18 AM PDT by Noumenon (What would Michael Collins do?)
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To: kevcol

Both the legislature of Colorado and the US Congress have a say in this matter:

“New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.” - US Constituion, Article IV, Section 3


6 posted on 08/21/2013 9:34:45 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Mr. K

And West Pennsylvania and East Washington and East Oregon and South Illinois and any other state that is disproportionally represented by big city liberals.


7 posted on 08/21/2013 9:37:19 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the people. T Jefferson)
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To: kevcol
County leaders have also been alarmed at attempts to strengthen regulations on oil and gas developers, which are heavily invested in rural counties. And they’ve also been riled by tough new gun laws that limit the size of ammunition magazines and require universal background checks for all firearms transfers.

Speaking strictly as a Coloradan: all the above is true, but it's only part of the whole story. As in more than just one or two other states, the Denver metropolitan area has become the tail that wags the dog—and Denver is an arrogant, greedy bastion of leftist extremism. It wants to be the San Francisco of the Rocky Mountains. It wants to treat the rest of Colorado approximately the same way Washington, D.C. treats the rest of America. It believes it's smarter and more advanced than us commoners, and is therefore entitled to impose its statist will on us. The new so-called "gun control" laws are evil, all right, but they're actually a mere symptom of the greater, more destructive problem.

Oh, by the way, people all over Colorado would very much like to join the break-away counties. Given a free choice—that's asking a lot, I admit—all or nearly all of Colorado would secede from Denver.

8 posted on 08/21/2013 9:38:32 AM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Mr. K
I would like to do this in Western New York

Yep. Very, very many in NY state disagree passionately with the city dwellers.

9 posted on 08/21/2013 9:40:35 AM PDT by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: Standing Wolf

All the rats will flood into the new state anyway and ruin it. Then the sane people will need to run back to Colorado.


10 posted on 08/21/2013 9:41:11 AM PDT by Phillyred
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To: kevcol
There really ought to be a better mechanism for breaking up states into smaller states. The current rules in the constitution make it too difficult.
11 posted on 08/21/2013 9:44:00 AM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: Mr. K

But leave out the cities of buffalo ithaca Binghamton Syracuse Rochester

They are a problem too


12 posted on 08/21/2013 9:44:06 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: polymuser

See 12


13 posted on 08/21/2013 9:45:05 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: cotton1706

So there will be a fight between Colorado and Congress, and Obama has to keep his mouth shut on it. Let’s see it happen and not give up before the fight starts.


14 posted on 08/21/2013 9:45:58 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: taxcontrol

“As a Coloradan, I am of the opinion that it is more likely to get the voters to change the State Constitution to elect one State Senator per county.”

We used to have that here in California. Then the SCOTUS “declared” despite the way the Constitution set up the US Senate, that the “one man, one vote” bit meant that the CA Senate had to be elected to that requirement. Now we have essentially two Assemblies, one with twice the members as the other. Ergo, Los Angeles (our stinking $hit hole to the south) immediately controlled the state. So good luck changing the Co constitution, because the crap posing as the SCOTUS will likely squelch your effort. The cecession to form a separate state is a real solution. There needs to be more of it. Here in CA we conservatives control a huge majority of the land area of the state, including most of the water. We need to cecede and “sell” water to Mexico City North (aka Los Angeles).


15 posted on 08/21/2013 9:47:19 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Standing Wolf
I’d like to join Commander Riker in applauding your most excellent post:


16 posted on 08/21/2013 9:47:31 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: freerepublicchat
The current rules in the constitution make it too difficult.

The gun-grabbers and those wanting to limit speech criticizing the government say the same thing.

17 posted on 08/21/2013 9:48:16 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Vaquero

I am thinking everything from Corning on up, and to the west

(yes that includes Roch and Buff but those populations are dying out - less than 1million in buffalo these days

Ithaca? Just wall that off completely and let them survive on unicorn farts.


18 posted on 08/21/2013 9:49:44 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: MeganC

IMO, this is a scenario that will grow as more and more Americans have reached the end of their patience with Liberal insanity, ya think?


19 posted on 08/21/2013 9:50:39 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Vaquero; All

you know, as difficult as this process would be, I could see this being Hugh and series!

Cut each state in half (the conservative halves), we would immediately have 100 new CONSERVATIVE senators


20 posted on 08/21/2013 9:52:38 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: Mr. K

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21 posted on 08/21/2013 9:56:04 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: Mr. K

Are you cereal?


22 posted on 08/21/2013 10:00:46 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: taxcontrol

Unfortunately, that’s a non-starter. In one of the worst federal court decisions of all time (yes, down there with Roe v. Wade, Dred Scott, and Wickard v. Filburn), Reynolds v. Sims, the SCOTUS held that state constitutions that apportion representation in the upper house of a legislature in accord with the same wisdom the Founders applied in the Senate violate the Federal Constitution (presumably the 14th Amendment).

All the states are formally were called “Commonwealths” — Pennsylvania, Virginia and Massachusetts — as well as some others (Alabama, for instance, where the suite in Reynolds v. Sims arose) had upper houses with one member per county (town in the case of MA) until 1964 when the Warren court decreed they couldn’t.


23 posted on 08/21/2013 10:01:09 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: freerepublicchat
The current rules in the constitution make it too difficult.

How would you simplify it?

24 posted on 08/21/2013 10:01:10 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: cotton1706

While I agree with you...I must ask, since when has the Constitution gotten in anybody’s way these past few years?


25 posted on 08/21/2013 10:01:11 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: AlmaKing

I didn’t suggest giving up. I just wanted to point out that becoming a new state is not just up to the people in that area. There is precedent for a part of a state separating when one part doesn’t agree with the path the state’s going. West Virginia separated from Virginia during the Civil War. Although that was relatively easy since the legislature of Virginia was for all intents and purposes at the time, the legislature of a foreign country. And the Congress at the time was all for the separation.


26 posted on 08/21/2013 10:05:33 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: thackney
The gun-grabbers and those wanting to limit speech criticizing the government say the same thing.

I've never seen that in any liberal. They all seem to want one giant single government to control everything.

Breaking up states into smaller, more autonomous groups that had more local power would make that more difficult.

27 posted on 08/21/2013 10:06:19 AM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: 0.E.O

My rule would be something like:

If 75% of the people in connected geographic area with a population that exceeds that of the least populated state wish to make their own state, they should have that right without needing permission from the parent state or states.


28 posted on 08/21/2013 10:09:09 AM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: Mr. K

All of upstate NY wants to do this, just look at all the counties that want to repeal the NY gun control act. Many upstate senators have called to succeed


29 posted on 08/21/2013 10:09:44 AM PDT by rstark56
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To: freerepublicchat
As I quoted:

The current rules in the constitution make it too difficult.

I was referencing their frustration with the constitution restricting their desires. I am happy with our Constitution and want it to be the controlling document. I don't want attempts to modify it outside the rules set in place for amendments.

30 posted on 08/21/2013 10:10:14 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Phillyred

Ever been to NE Colorado? Those city rats won’t find much there, and won’t hang around long when they realize there’s probably not a Starbucks in the whole area.

When I lived in that area in the 70s, someone started the rumor that the moon landings had been faked in Weld County. It’s stupid, but you can see where some nut got the idea. Open range, Pawnee National Grasslands, miles and miles of nothing but sagebrush, prairie dogs, and rattlesnakes, and smack in the middle of the Hail Belt.

Still, strikingly beautiful place, as are adjacent parts of western Nebraska and southeast Wyoming (who once longed to secede as “Wyobraska”). If it succeeds, North Colorado will tolearate no fools, and won’t need walls to keep them out.


31 posted on 08/21/2013 10:11:00 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: kevcol

“New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.”


32 posted on 08/21/2013 10:12:05 AM PDT by JohnGerald
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To: taxcontrol

Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U.S. 533 (1964) would preclude the effectiveness of that possibility.


33 posted on 08/21/2013 10:12:05 AM PDT by JohnGerald
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To: freerepublicchat
If 75% of the people in connected geographic area with a population that exceeds that of the least populated state wish to make their own state, they should have that right without needing permission from the parent state or states.

The problem with that is that the rest of the state also has interests that need protection. Requiring the approval of the state legislature forces the two sides to negotiate a separation that is fair to both. Requiring the approval of Congress is necessary because only Congress has the power to admit a state.

34 posted on 08/21/2013 10:12:50 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: JohnGerald

Don’t assume that the Colorado legislature wouldn’t go along with this. Like many rural states with one large urban area, the left-leaning Denver metro area along with the more mixed front range communities (and the flat-out communists in the Peoples Republik of Boulder) might agree there’s no room in their world for Bible-clinging, gun-toting farmers, ranchers, and small-town hicks from out in the boonies who “don’t get it” anyway.


35 posted on 08/21/2013 10:16:30 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: wardaddy; CatherineofAragon

Funny how the usual suspects haven’t descended upon this thread to stamp their feet about the evils of secession.

You don’t suppose that their real motivation has little to do with secession and more to do with hating one of the oldest American cultures do you?


36 posted on 08/21/2013 10:19:59 AM PDT by Pelham (Deportation is the law. When it's not enforced you get California)
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To: bunkerhill7; Mr. K
AND The Leatherstocking Republic of the Mohawk Valley, the site of the Battle of Oriskany, proudly stands in Alliance with The Adirondack Republic and the Republic of Western NY
37 posted on 08/21/2013 10:19:59 AM PDT by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: cotton1706

There ya go! Lets see what all the folks who bash Zero for his annoyance of the Constitution will have to say about this little gem of a statement from the Constitution. Many will try to rationalize it away.

Of all the states that could use division, my state, Washington is one. Every single county East of the Cascade Mountains went Romney, all counties West of the Cascades went for ZERO. About 15 years ago, there was a movement that wanted to do what the Colorado citizens are proposing, but the Washington folks saw the folly of their exercise.


38 posted on 08/21/2013 10:25:08 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: 0.E.O
The problem with that is that the rest of the state also has interests that need protection. Requiring the approval of the state legislature forces the two sides to negotiate a separation that is fair to both. Requiring the approval of Congress is necessary because only Congress has the power to admit a state.

What interests are those? And if forced to choose between the interests of the state, and the interests of half a million people that need the power to solve their own problems, I'm going to side with the people.

The state serves the interests of the people and not the other way round.

39 posted on 08/21/2013 10:25:57 AM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: cotton1706

Q. Can States be created from existing States?

A. See West Virginia. Also see D.C. Statehood movement.


40 posted on 08/21/2013 10:27:21 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (Liberty is not collective, it is personal. All liberty is individual liberty. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: taxcontrol

Yep. One Senator per land mass and one Representative per so many people but capped per square mile. The congested cities vote specifically to tax the rest of us for their gain.


41 posted on 08/21/2013 10:33:05 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Standing Wolf

” Given a free choice—that’s asking a lot, I admit—all or nearly all of Colorado would secede from Denver. “

Probably 6 counties would side with Denver out of 64.


42 posted on 08/21/2013 10:34:22 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: MeganC

The dems will demand Puerto Rico become a state to off set North Colorado. A new Missouri compromise. We all know how that ended.


43 posted on 08/21/2013 10:35:10 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: kevcol

Any state that wishes to secede is welcome to in my book. If they want to create a Balkans here, so be it. Screw em.


44 posted on 08/21/2013 10:42:30 AM PDT by sakic
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To: freerepublicchat

Based on that criteria you could form several states just on the island of Manhattan. Wyoming has less than 600K people, so we could potentially have more than 500 states. At the federal level, the Senate would essentially be a second version of the House.


45 posted on 08/21/2013 10:52:06 AM PDT by oincobx
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To: kevcol

I suggest Mesa County join with the others who desire a 51st State. Then we could demand a corridor be allowed so Mesa County could have free trade and travel between us and the rest of the sensible ones.Yes I agree with the post that says the US Constitution has some say—but the Colorado Constitution in our Bill of Rights provides for just such a move (see the first three sections.)Recall of the offending politicians would prove easier but both efforts ought be supported.


46 posted on 08/21/2013 10:59:00 AM PDT by Robert Burkholder
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To: KC_Lion

I’m thinking you’re right. Or else they just won’t admit the Northern Colorado Territory as a state. They’ll just leave it as a territory and take advantage of that fact to let the President appoint a territorial governor.

By the way, nice to see you! (-:


47 posted on 08/21/2013 11:06:26 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: freerepublicchat
What interests are those? And if forced to choose between the interests of the state, and the interests of half a million people that need the power to solve their own problems, I'm going to side with the people.

With out regard for any problems that may cause the rest of the people in the state? Do those people have no rights here? No protections?

48 posted on 08/21/2013 11:11:40 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: MeganC

You too! (Hugs) Your little one should be here any day now!


49 posted on 08/21/2013 11:20:46 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Standing Wolf
Updated map. Green, the question is on the ballot, yellow looks likely, blue has a chance.


50 posted on 08/21/2013 11:24:04 AM PDT by kitchen (Make plans and prepare. You'll never have trouble if you're ready for it. - TR)
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