Try to pull a gun on a lot of shooters I know(and shoot with),you’ll never even clear the holster.There are some people out here with some real skills.You might have a chance with the average street thug,but a serious shooter-I doubt it..
But I’m guessing the guys you shoot with would never use a gun in the commission of a crime because they don’t commit crimes.
The run-of-the-mill street thug, such as the guest-of-honor in this discussion is a different matter.