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Why Are American Conservatives Praising Putin?
reason.com ^ | August 22, 2013 | Cathy Young

Posted on 08/23/2013 11:44:23 AM PDT by MetaThought

Russian President Vladimir Putin, the career KGB officer who has presided over the rollback of his country’s post-Communist freedoms and revived Cold War-style anti-Americanism, is an unlikely hero for American conservatives. Yet the Kremlin strongman has lately found some fans on the right who see him as a defender of Christian values — most recently, in the imbroglio over Russia’s new legal ban on gay “propaganda.” It is a sad misjudgment that does a disservice to the causes of conservatism, freedom, and religion alike.

Spokesmen for several right-wing groups including the American Family Association have praised the Russian law, which prohibits any pro-gay speech or expression that could be accessible to minors. Veteran columnist Pat Buchanan has joined the Putin cheerleading squad. And, shockingly, the usually thoughtful author Rod Dreher, who blogs for The American Conservative, has added his own “1.5 Cheers for Putin.”

While condemning anti-gay violence and authoritarianism in Russia, Dreher praises Putin’s willingness to speak up for Christianity and laments that “post-Soviet Russia, for all its grievous flaws, is . . . more conscious of its Christian history and character than the United States.”

This is a truly grievous misunderstanding of the reality of religion and politics in 21st Century Russia. Russia today is outwardly far more religious than most of Western Europe, but it’s a religion of state more than church: Orthodox Christianity has taken Communism’s place as the new official ideology, with church membership an official badge of patriotism and loyalty.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: conservatives; obama; putin; putinmanlove; randsconcerntrolls; russia; waronterror
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1 posted on 08/23/2013 11:44:23 AM PDT by MetaThought
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To: MetaThought
Why Are American Conservatives Praising Putin?

I mean seriously? You have to ask?

Putie ain't perfect. But he is far better than Obammie in every way.

2 posted on 08/23/2013 11:47:32 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: MetaThought

Goes under the category of ‘The enemy of my enemy is my friend”.


3 posted on 08/23/2013 11:47:48 AM PDT by AU72
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To: MetaThought

We wouldn’t have known about NSA transgressions without Snowden. Not that its going to change anything . . .


4 posted on 08/23/2013 11:51:17 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: MetaThought

I think most of it is just a wistful longing for past days when the President of the United States loved and defended his country.


5 posted on 08/23/2013 11:51:28 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: MetaThought

Because they wish we had a leader like him.


6 posted on 08/23/2013 11:51:36 AM PDT by SkyDancer (A white woman would be accused of racism if she gave birth to a white baby.)
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To: MetaThought
Miss Cathypants could have asked, "Why is Obama friends with Bill Ayers, or why is Obama sponsoring agents of terror in the Middle East", but noooooooooo.
7 posted on 08/23/2013 11:52:09 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: MetaThought

Because Putin’s values are closer to traditional America than are Obama’s.


8 posted on 08/23/2013 11:53:21 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If you don't care about Antonio Santiago, sure as hell don't whine about Trayvon Martin.)
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To: MetaThought

Putin is more intelligent and civilized than Obama.


9 posted on 08/23/2013 11:54:12 AM PDT by pallis
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To: ScottinVA

Apart from Obama, name me one American authoritarian you admire.


10 posted on 08/23/2013 11:54:13 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: MetaThought
Why Are American Conservatives Praising Putin?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

11 posted on 08/23/2013 11:54:28 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: MetaThought

Finally! I have waited breathlessly to learn Cathy Young’s opinion. (Did I spell that right?)


12 posted on 08/23/2013 11:56:27 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: MetaThought

Conservatives aren’t praising Putin, but they are marveling at how much better off we’d be if he were President instead of Obama.

We’re just looking at America through the funhouse mirror glasses that Obama is wearing, and we don’t like what we see.


13 posted on 08/23/2013 12:00:09 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: MetaThought

Becuase President Bad Ass seems more fitting that “Presently Poosy”.

Which would you want?

A President that can be counted to act out on his previous patterns, with certitude or one that can’t make up his mind, often changing tables before he seats himself at the dinner table and again after the food has been served?


14 posted on 08/23/2013 12:02:29 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: MetaThought

For real news, there is: Pravda and FreeRepublic! Long live the Republic!


15 posted on 08/23/2013 12:03:34 PM PDT by veracious
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To: RinaseaofDs
Conservatives aren’t praising Putin, but they are marveling at how much better off we’d be if he were President instead of Obama.


16 posted on 08/23/2013 12:03:34 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Responsibility2nd

Bingo. We’re comparing him to the Kenyan.


17 posted on 08/23/2013 12:09:02 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: MetaThought
Why Are American Conservatives Praising Putin?

I've never understood it either. Putin is a murderous thug dictator presiding over a banana republic.

18 posted on 08/23/2013 12:10:37 PM PDT by gdani
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To: MetaThought
However, not lending even partial endorsement to a thuggish regime that targets an unpopular minority for political advantage should be a no-brainer.

You got it, Ms Young. You're talking about Obama's regime, aren't you?

19 posted on 08/23/2013 12:12:59 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

No, not really. It’s tough to be worse than KGB. I harbor a pet theory than Obama covertly is an employee of Putin et al. But even if that isn’t the case, you can never really trust a Klingon, no matter how much they tidy up.


20 posted on 08/23/2013 12:13:27 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: MetaThought

Ms Young and her fans don’t seem to understand that Putin is a leader who fits the circumstances of Russia, not those of the United States. Were he the POTUS here, he’d fit the American culture, and that is what the conservatives (assume and) admire in him.


21 posted on 08/23/2013 12:16:42 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: MetaThought

Because, in comparison to Obama, Putin looks pretty good - ruthless, competent, and proudly nationalistic.


22 posted on 08/23/2013 12:18:35 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: ScottinVA
Because Putin’s values are closer to traditional America than are Obama’s.

Which is scary as hell, because Putin is so far away from "traditional America(n)" values that the light from them take a thousand years to get here.

23 posted on 08/23/2013 12:19:17 PM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Responsibility2nd

24 posted on 08/23/2013 12:19:34 PM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: MetaThought

At least Putin is interested in the survival of his country and its culture, as he obviously sees America and the West’s days are numbered, as it continues its slide down the sewer, enwrapped in its celebration of homo depravity.

I have total admiration for Putin for his actions over this. He’s showing the kind of bravery and leadership I don’t see much of over here, even if there is a bit of domestic political motivation on his part.


25 posted on 08/23/2013 12:20:13 PM PDT by greene66
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To: Revolting cat!
If Putin was president here, Jim Robinson would be in prison and you'd be whining that you cannot find an internet forum to post upon.
26 posted on 08/23/2013 12:22:35 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: MetaThought; All

You can bet the Bed Wetting Free Trade Commie Globalist types in the GOP are not happy Putin is getting conservative respect....


27 posted on 08/23/2013 12:22:47 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Difference between George Zimmerman and Al Sharpton is that Sharpton woulda let honky family burn)
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To: 1rudeboy

and every TV network would be...

well...

bad example

but opposition leaders would have “accidents”... or turn blue and die... or be arrested for whatever pretext


28 posted on 08/23/2013 12:23:45 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: MetaThought

Simple — Putin looks out for the interests of his country, Russia, and the h*ll with his enemies and everyone else.

Obama looks out for the interests of our enemies and everyone else and the h*ll with his country, the US. Well, I guess this is not quite correct — it’s questionable whether the US is or isn’t his country.


29 posted on 08/23/2013 12:24:11 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: 1rudeboy

And you know that how?


30 posted on 08/23/2013 12:25:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Because when you scratch a protectionist, you find a totalitarian who only wants the trains to run on time.


31 posted on 08/23/2013 12:25:32 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: All

I think we wish we had a president that loved his country, unlike Obama that loves the Soviet Union.


32 posted on 08/23/2013 12:25:56 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Proved my point.


33 posted on 08/23/2013 12:26:18 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Difference between George Zimmerman and Al Sharpton is that Sharpton woulda let honky family burn)
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Putin is making better strategic choices than most western leaders. He may be playing a rather complex deep game and may not necessarily hold to his current positions. For me it is not a question of cheering him on, but knowing what is right or wrong for our North American society (which is essentially the same large-scale sort of thing in Canada as in the U.S.A. with obvious important differences). Our leaders are making different choices than Putin in terms of who to support in the Middle East conflicts, what to say about the massive fraud of climate change economics, and to different extents on the rainbow agenda. I would describe the Canadian government as further along but less enthused, two factors that might perhaps cancel out so we could say that we’re all at about the same point now in terms of sliding down the slippery slope to oblivion.

Who knows whether Putin is sincere on his opposition to the rainbow agenda, or whether he’s actually driving that opposition or just tolerating it for now. But it is the right response for social integrity and cultural survival. Two or three generations later, I fear that any society which adopts the rainbow abd green agenda will be dormant and easy pickings for something like militant global Islam.

Russia seems to have summoned up the will to fight these threats. We are at the point of welcoming the Trojan horse and admiring the view as it comes inside our fortress. Our leaders just can’t wait to open up and see what’s inside.


34 posted on 08/23/2013 12:27:05 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (It wasn't this cold before global warming)
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To: gdani

“I’ve never understood it either.”

See my post 29.


35 posted on 08/23/2013 12:27:11 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Revolting cat!
What sort of a bullcrap question is that? How do YOU know Putin would "fit the American culture?"

Two can play the game of sophistry.

36 posted on 08/23/2013 12:27:39 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Turbo Pig

Putin actually likes his country....can’t say that for some of the anti-American globalist types all bothered about it.


37 posted on 08/23/2013 12:28:34 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Difference between George Zimmerman and Al Sharpton is that Sharpton woulda let honky family burn)
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To: SeminoleCounty

That’s right, comrade. I always suspected you were posting from the basement of the Kremlin.


38 posted on 08/23/2013 12:29:17 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

You and Obama still holding hands? You and your fellow Free Traders are some of the biggest statists around. You should tell us how great Obama’s Free Trade deal with the EU is going to be....those carbon taxes must be great in your America hater mind


39 posted on 08/23/2013 12:32:16 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Difference between George Zimmerman and Al Sharpton is that Sharpton woulda let honky family burn)
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To: 1rudeboy

Putin wouldn’t fit American culture, my hot headed friend. However, Putin successfully installed a flat tax, balanced his budget, understands the corrosive effect of the homosexual movement on his own society, and has what appears to be his national interests as his strategic and tactical imperatives.

As such, having a man such as this, an American with a similar agenda and list of accomplishments, would be better than the quisling we currently have occupying the office who only pretends at being American.

You sort of get it now?


40 posted on 08/23/2013 12:32:17 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: MetaThought

The choice is easy. We’ve got ourselves a committed, true believer marxist in the White Hut. Russia and the Soviet Bloc hasn’t had true believer marxists since 1960-70. All the true believer marxists have been in the West. Our marxist POTUS has adjusted to the limitations of the US Constitution and is constantly testing them. Just like Bill Ayers had taught him. There is no reason to think that Putin, were he the US president, wouldn’t do likewise. Except that he is a nationalist, defender of traditional culture, and definitely not a marxist.


41 posted on 08/23/2013 12:33:35 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: RinaseaofDs

No, because anyone who wishes for a Putin-type deserves to get an Obama-type instead. They’re just too dumb to see it.


42 posted on 08/23/2013 12:34:43 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Peter ODonnell
I do not pretend to read Putin's mind. But let us look, frankly, at what he has been doing, and consider the long-term consequences. In restoring the traditional influence of the Russian Church; in restoring respect for pre-Bolshevik values; in encouraging a return to traditional family values, in general; he is creating better means to fight against a return to the secular humanist egalitariansim, which so often has served to enable the West's march towards totalitarian Collectivism.

The man is obviously very intelligent. I would suggest that the above gives some reason to hope that his reforms are genuine. At any rate, what he is doing in these regards, is certainly no threat to the American heritage. The threats to the American heritage, I fear, are largely centered in our own Government today.

William Flax

43 posted on 08/23/2013 12:37:50 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: MetaThought

He supports Christianity and is a man and a patriot.
NONE of the preceding describes the Obamabastard.


44 posted on 08/23/2013 12:38:52 PM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: MetaThought

“This is a truly grievous misunderstanding of the reality of religion and politics in 21st Century Russia.”

Maybe, maybe not. I don’t think Cathy Young or any of the people she cites as opposition have a really good handle on that particular subject. It’s more complicated than can be treated in a few hundred words.


45 posted on 08/23/2013 12:43:00 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Viennacon; gdani
Bingo. We’re comparing him to the Kenyan.

And to our own "leaders," Mittens, McStupid, Bonehead, etc.

46 posted on 08/23/2013 12:43:05 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: 1rudeboy

“If Putin was president here, Jim Robinson would be in prison and you’d be whining that you cannot find an internet forum to post upon. “

Umm... The way things are going here, that day is not far off.


47 posted on 08/23/2013 12:44:35 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Make today a great day. Insult a liberal.)
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To: MetaThought

As far as I know, Putin never bowed to a foreign king.


48 posted on 08/23/2013 12:46:16 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Innovative
Putin looks out for the interests of his country

Sure - if corruption, cancelling elections, crushing peaceful dissent, "disappearing" political opponents, having the government control the media & nationalizing private businesses is your thing, comrade.

49 posted on 08/23/2013 12:47:08 PM PDT by gdani
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Not very far off indeed, if people are looking up to an unreconstructed communist for guidance.

Which leads to another question (and I don't think it's a thread hijack): if Vladi determined that embracing the gay agenda would solidify his power, would he do so? If not, why not?

Think carefully.

50 posted on 08/23/2013 12:47:55 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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